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The difference between the good Marvel movies and X-Men (with the exception of Deadpool and Logan) movies is Marvel Studios vs Fox.

Back in the day, Marvel sold Fox distribution rights for X-Men, Spiderman, and a couple of other properties. Once Marvel got under Disney with a huge distribution network, they didn't need Fox for stuff like Avengers and GoTG. They got Spiderman back for Homecoming (and Civil War), so far.

I'd like to see everything PG-13 and below get moved back to Marvel Studios/Disney, and let Fox to the R-rated stuff, because they're admittedly quite good at those, where they fall down on the other stuff.

@Cliff_Forster said:
Logan works not because it's R rated, it works because you give a shit about Logan and Charles Xavier. You care because of the good movies that came before the garbage ones. Hell, a movie with Logan is a 50/50 shot at best, but because there are those gems there, the stories that show him as heroic, show him in a light that makes you care about him, when you see him broken at the end of his life it's truly depressing. Logan may have lost some of it's Unforgiven style impact if it were PG-13, but the reason it succeeds is that you care about the characters.

I think it's both. To try and tell the story that Logan did with the constraints of the rating system would have watered it down terribly. There are a lot of stories out there that just don't work if you try to shoehorn them into PG-13 because they're violent desolate tales without necessarily happy endings.

I don't get Deadpool, did not like it. To me it's the genre devolved to what it might of looked like in 1991 when everyone thought all you needed was some more edge and toilet humor to elevate comics to an adult medium. I don't appreciate it, I think it's an insult to people that love superhero comics, plus fuck that guy for ruining Hal Jordan.

I'm sorry you are incorrect about Deadpool. But it happens.

Real Talk: I get where people wouldn't like it, especially people who are deep into the comic mythology. I'm not, and as such had a blast with a 2-hour superhero dick and fart joke fest.

I think it's a terrible shame that the Fantastic 4 are not part of the Marvel cinematic universe. So much potential for a great film, I thought the first one years back was fun, the second was a dumpster fire, the reboot is a miserable joyless mistake. One of my favorite comics growing up, if you gave it to Disney they would make a gem out of it, I just know it.

I would LOVE to see F4 under Marvel Studios. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened yet after the travesty that was the most recent movie.

@Linc said:
I think it’s a blessing they have to keep the X-Men separate. It’s too many goddamn characters with conflicting stories in one universe.

There, I said it.

X-Men were a thing I knew long before the Avengers characters, I grew up on the cartoon and read that comic more than anything else, and I agree. Keeping them almost quarantined from the MCU has been a huge net positive.

Get outta here with your "Good" for Doctor Strange. Only Marvel movie I went to see twice in the theater.