Also, now that you have an SSD, don't get that SSHD, just get a standard 7200 RPM drive for storage. The SSHD won't work to your full advantage as a storage drive because it is dependent on the OS install on disk to optimize the extra cache. This will be fine for storage http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840
@DontCallMeKelso said:
She's missing a couple fans and I forgot the PSU is no longer with us, POS died twice and wasn't modular. But she's not too loud when running a full boar, or at least I never noticed it.
You had mentioned there was no PSU and I've got a modular one so that is no concern.
I think I mistook the PSU in the product pic on Newegg as a picture of the case lying down. So there is no giant fan, that is good. Looks like it originally had 2 120mm fans and mounts for five more. How many working fans are in in currently?
Now that I consider the gas, I could probably get a new case cheaper than making a run up to San Fran area. You got any plans on coming down here for anything else where lugging that along wouldn't be a burden?
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@BobbyDigi I might drive down while unemployed, thinking about it, not sure yet tho. 2 fans in the case currently (I snagged 2 of the ones I bought for my new sys, plus I've got some big 240mm fan laying around somewhere
@Cliff_Forster said:
Also, now that you have an SSD, don't get that SSHD, just get a standard 7200 RPM drive for storage. The SSHD won't work to your full advantage as a storage drive because it is dependent on the OS install on disk to optimize the extra cache. This will be fine for storage http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840
Does this change at all since I will be running games off of the secondary drive? I am not so concerned about storage at this point. I'll have a TB in the cloud for that.
To be specific, Terraria, Rocket League, etc... will be installed and played through Steam on the secondary drive and not to the SSD. Non steam games (On the high end GTAV and on the low end Minecraft) will also be installed to and played from the secondary drive. Is there a noticeable advantage to the SSHD in these cases or will I be just as good with the standard HDD?
Where I am at currently:
Mobo: MSI Z97 PC Mate LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard ($91 at Newegg)
RAM: HyperX FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model HX318C10FBK2/16 ($85 @ Newegg)
TB Drive: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive ($51 @ Newegg)
Further recommendations for better performance for the games mentioned is appreciated. Also confirmation that this is going in the right direction will also help my confidence here I am willing to do leg work and research here but I have no idea what half of those numbers and acronyms mean in the names of those products.
I know the products are a few bucks cheaper at other retailers but I trust Newegg and the ease of ordering all from one place is worth it to me.
@Sonorous Can you advise how the rig I used at epic compares here. That is really the only RL experience I have to compare to.
I wouldn't get the SSHD for your secondary drive either. It might help a little bit, but better to just install your most played games to SSD alongside windows (or the games most dependent on disk I/O for loading).
I would ditch the i3 and have @Thrax help you find something quad core in the AMD world. That rig I let you use is pretty close to what you speced out minus the two cores.
I'm just going to throw out an Intel suggestion. With a little shopping around you could get this right at $300. Maybe an alternative motherboard, but similar. I liked ASrock when I had it, and I think it is cheaper than gigglebyte.
"Porn drive" - Seagate 1TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST1000DM003) ($50 at Amazon)
or
Seagate 2TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST2000DM001) ($71 @ Amazon)
Extra thoughts
Does going with a 2TB secondary drive affect anything?
Do I need anything to put the processor in the Mobo when I buy the separately? Paste or goo or the like?
Do mobos typically come with a replacement face plate for the back of the case since it at least looks like the ports and everything are in different configurations?
Thanks again everyone for the suggestions and answering my questions. Really looking forward to the rise of the Franken-Trooper
The GA-990FXA-UD3 is the board I'm on. Are you building in a full ATX case? My impression of the Dell system was it was micro ATX, just four expansion slots in the back is an easy way to tell.
That said, for a budget combo $200 total for that board and CPU is a great deal.
The Inspiron 530 uses a standard micro ATX motherboard, standard PSU (with standard power connector) and standard everything else as far as I can tell. There is no reason to buy upgrades from Dell. The only real issue here is that the motherboard I/O back plate is built into the case.
But after having messed with altering the case to install a different motherboard, I agree that the best idea is to just buy a new cheap case.
I'll start looking at case options.
Also just to put it out there, the Video Card is a Sapphire Radeon HD 6850
Looking into those case, looks promising - NZXT Source 210 S210-002 White w/Black Front Trim “Aluminum Brush / Plastic” ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($40 + 6 at NewEgg)
Looking at this guy - RAIDMAX Scorpio V ATX-503WB White Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($65 + Free ship & $15 rebate @ Newegg)
5 Egg reviews and an Iron Egg Price guarantee. Features are sure compelling and completely irrelevantly it stays with the Storm Trooper theme.
Edit- AND there is an additional %15 off code bringing the total w/ tax/ship to $61 ($46 after rebate). Barring any good reasons not to, I believe I'll place the order for this.
"Porn drive" - Seagate 1TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST1000DM003) ($55 w/ tax at NewEgg) (Free ship)
Case - RAIDMAX Scorpio V ATX-503WB White Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($61 w/ tax + $15 rebate @ Newegg) (Free ship)
That puts me at $419 for pretty much a new computer. $25 coming back at rebates so should eventually be less than $400. Bit more then I wanted but I feel I'll be getting a bit more than I was originally looking at.
Any more thoughts and recommendations of tweaks appreciated.
I don't know what all you do with your computer, that would be very RAM intensive Unless you are a Chrome Tab Hoarder. Otherwise I may go with 8 gigs and go for an i5 if possible. Secondly last I saw that seagate's consumer HDDs have a pretty high failure rate. I would go for the WD Blue 1 TB which is actually cheaper at 52 on Amazon.
Thank you @Karma, Gives me some stuff to look at. Does your recommendation for an i5 go along with lowering the ram for any reason or just two separate suggestions?
HD Links for later:
WD Blue 1TB Desktop 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm Internal Hard Drive ($58 w/ tax @ Amazon or NewEgg)
@BobbyDigi said:
Thank you Karma, Gives me some stuff to look at. Does your recommendation for an i5 go along with lowering the ram for any reason or just two separate suggestions?
HD Links for later:
WD Blue 1TB Desktop 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm Internal Hard Drive ($58 w/ tax @ Amazon or NewEgg)
They went together because I think the upgrade to the i5 is more important than the extra 8 gigs. As in save money there and put it there. Also way easier to add ram later than to switch the cpu.
Basically each Intel core is significantly faster, allowing you to do more. There are some other reasons involving the architecture of the CPUs but simply put each Intel Core allows you to do more than each AMD core. Also you can look at heat output. The intel 22nm allows you to do more while producing a cooler chip, more important for micro builds than others.
Damn, dat HALF mid. Totes forgot about them. Those fulls were a crazy beast before everyone got serious about their full towers again. Stick that thing in some booty shorts, WUT WUT!
I'm not married to the Scorpio V yet but I did a side-by-side comparison on Newegg and I didn't see anything compelling enough to go with the Cooler Master you posted instead. They both have pretty much everything I need and the Scorpio advertises more space for a video card (A current concern). Your build looks nice but price is out of range if I have to include the case.
After all of the input here and speaking with a few trusted computer heads today, I am going to go with the Intel build I listed above. Will continue to upgrade my AMD video card as appropriate.
I am going to start placing orders and to be honest I'm scared as hell
Quick update. SSD showed up on Monday. Case, Ram and HDD got here yesterday. Processor arrived today. Mobo had a slight delay, shipped today and will be here Friday. This weekend, the build will commence.
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Also, now that you have an SSD, don't get that SSHD, just get a standard 7200 RPM drive for storage. The SSHD won't work to your full advantage as a storage drive because it is dependent on the OS install on disk to optimize the extra cache. This will be fine for storage http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840
You had mentioned there was no PSU and I've got a modular one so that is no concern.
I think I mistook the PSU in the product pic on Newegg as a picture of the case lying down. So there is no giant fan, that is good. Looks like it originally had 2 120mm fans and mounts for five more. How many working fans are in in currently?
Now that I consider the gas, I could probably get a new case cheaper than making a run up to San Fran area. You got any plans on coming down here for anything else where lugging that along wouldn't be a burden?
@BobbyDigi I might drive down while unemployed, thinking about it, not sure yet tho. 2 fans in the case currently (I snagged 2 of the ones I bought for my new sys, plus I've got some big 240mm fan laying around somewhere
Does this change at all since I will be running games off of the secondary drive? I am not so concerned about storage at this point. I'll have a TB in the cloud for that.
To be specific, Terraria, Rocket League, etc... will be installed and played through Steam on the secondary drive and not to the SSD. Non steam games (On the high end GTAV and on the low end Minecraft) will also be installed to and played from the secondary drive. Is there a noticeable advantage to the SSHD in these cases or will I be just as good with the standard HDD?
Where I am at currently:
Mobo: MSI Z97 PC Mate LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard ($91 at Newegg)
Processor: Intel Core i3-4170 3M Haswell Dual-Core 3.7 GHz LGA 1150 54W BX80646I34170 Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4400 ($120 @ Newegg)
RAM: HyperX FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 Desktop Memory Model HX318C10FBK2/16 ($85 @ Newegg)
TB Drive: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive ($51 @ Newegg)
Further recommendations for better performance for the games mentioned is appreciated. Also confirmation that this is going in the right direction will also help my confidence here
I am willing to do leg work and research here but I have no idea what half of those numbers and acronyms mean in the names of those products.
I know the products are a few bucks cheaper at other retailers but I trust Newegg and the ease of ordering all from one place is worth it to me.
@Sonorous Can you advise how the rig I used at epic compares here. That is really the only RL experience I have to compare to.
Continued Thanks everyone,
I wouldn't get the SSHD for your secondary drive either. It might help a little bit, but better to just install your most played games to SSD alongside windows (or the games most dependent on disk I/O for loading).
I would ditch the i3 and have @Thrax help you find something quad core in the AMD world. That rig I let you use is pretty close to what you speced out minus the two cores.
Mr @Thrax,
Mobo, Processor, Ram recommendation pretty please? ~$300 total price range
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Intel-Micro-Motherboards-GA-B85M-DS3H-/dp/B00VX1GGWQ/
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i5-4460-1150-BX80646I54460/dp/B00JIJUBAS/
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-12800-BLS2KIT8G3D1609DS1S00-BLS2CP8G3D1609DS1S00/dp/B006YG9EEW/
I'm just going to throw out an Intel suggestion. With a little shopping around you could get this right at $300. Maybe an alternative motherboard, but similar. I liked ASrock when I had it, and I think it is cheaper than gigglebyte.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Tushon/saved/Bx3J7P - would be decent $275+ shipping
Spendin' nice weekend waiting for a @Thrax shill
Current leaning towards (Basically Tushon's config above)
Mobo - GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 Socket AM3+/ AMD 990FX/ 2-Way CrossFireX&2-Way SLI/ SATA3&USB3.0/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard ($95 @ SuperBizz if ordered by tomorrow)
Processor - AMD FD6300WMHKBOX FX-6300 6-Core Processor Black Edition ($100 @ Amazon)
Ram - Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR3 1600 MT/s (PC3-12800) UDIMM Memory BLS2KIT8G3D1609DS1S00/ BLS2CP8G3D1609DS1S00 ($75 @ Amazon)
"Porn drive" - Seagate 1TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST1000DM003) ($50 at Amazon)
or
Seagate 2TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST2000DM001) ($71 @ Amazon)
Extra thoughts
Does going with a 2TB secondary drive affect anything?
Do I need anything to put the processor in the Mobo when I buy the separately? Paste or goo or the like?
Do mobos typically come with a replacement face plate for the back of the case since it at least looks like the ports and everything are in different configurations?
Thanks again everyone for the suggestions and answering my questions. Really looking forward to the rise of the Franken-Trooper
The GA-990FXA-UD3 is the board I'm on. Are you building in a full ATX case? My impression of the Dell system was it was micro ATX, just four expansion slots in the back is an easy way to tell.
That said, for a budget combo $200 total for that board and CPU is a great deal.
That's my biggest fear here is that I'll get the parts and they won't fit in the case or together.
Did some digging and found this
I'll start looking at case options.
Also just to put it out there, the Video Card is a Sapphire Radeon HD 6850
Looking into those case, looks promising - NZXT Source 210 S210-002 White w/Black Front Trim “Aluminum Brush / Plastic” ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($40 + 6 at NewEgg)
See Raidmax below.
Any Icrontian have any comments on Raidmax?
Looking at this guy - RAIDMAX Scorpio V ATX-503WB White Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($65 + Free ship & $15 rebate @ Newegg)
5 Egg reviews and an Iron Egg Price guarantee. Features are sure compelling and completely irrelevantly it stays with the Storm Trooper theme.
Edit- AND there is an additional %15 off code bringing the total w/ tax/ship to $61 ($46 after rebate). Barring any good reasons not to, I believe I'll place the order for this.
I took a look at RAIDMAX cases a couple times. Perry's rig is in a Raidmax case. They're not bad.
http://icrontic.com/article/raidmax-seiran-pc-case-review
That puts me at the following
Mobo - GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 Socket AM3+/ AMD 990FX/ 2-Way CrossFireX&2-Way SLI/ SATA3&USB3.0/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard ($105 + $7 Ship +$10 MIR @ SuperBizz if ordered by tomorrow)
Processor - AMD FD6300WMHKBOX FX-6300 6-Core Processor Black Edition ($109 w/ tax @ Amazon) (Free ship via Prime)
Ram - Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR3 1600 MT/s (PC3-12800) UDIMM Memory BLS2KIT8G3D1609DS1S00/ BLS2CP8G3D1609DS1S00 ($82 w/ tax @ Amazon) (Free ship via Prime)
"Porn drive" - Seagate 1TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST1000DM003) ($55 w/ tax at NewEgg) (Free ship)
Case - RAIDMAX Scorpio V ATX-503WB White Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($61 w/ tax + $15 rebate @ Newegg) (Free ship)
That puts me at $419 for pretty much a new computer. $25 coming back at rebates so should eventually be less than $400. Bit more then I wanted but I feel I'll be getting a bit more than I was originally looking at.
Any more thoughts and recommendations of tweaks appreciated.
I don't know what all you do with your computer, that would be very RAM intensive Unless you are a Chrome Tab Hoarder. Otherwise I may go with 8 gigs and go for an i5 if possible. Secondly last I saw that seagate's consumer HDDs have a pretty high failure rate. I would go for the WD Blue 1 TB which is actually cheaper at 52 on Amazon.
That's my 2c.
Thank you @Karma, Gives me some stuff to look at. Does your recommendation for an i5 go along with lowering the ram for any reason or just two separate suggestions?
HD Links for later:
WD Blue 1TB Desktop 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm Internal Hard Drive ($58 w/ tax @ Amazon or NewEgg)
I'll pitch in $10 if you go with an Intel CPU on this.
They went together because I think the upgrade to the i5 is more important than the extra 8 gigs. As in save money there and put it there. Also way easier to add ram later than to switch the cpu.
I'm certainly open to it, with or without the bribes
So to lay out an Intel build
Mobo - Gigabyte LGA 1150 Intel B85 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Micro ATX DDR3 1600 Motherboards GA-B85M-DS3H-A ($55 w/ tax @ Amazon) (Free ship via Prime)
Processor - Intel Core i5-4460 Haswell Processor 3.2GHz 5.0GT/s 6MB LGA 1150 CPU, Retail ($180 w/ tax + $7 ship @ SuperBiiz) ($10 discount only good through the 12th)
Ram - Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB Single DDR3 1600 MT/s (PC3-12800) CL9 @1.5V UDIMM 240-Pin Memory BLS8G3D1609DS1S00 ($43 w/ tax @ Amazon) (Free ship via Prime)
"Porn drive" - Seagate 1TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive (ST1000DM003) ($55 w/ tax at NewEgg) (Free ship)
Case - RAIDMAX Scorpio V ATX-503WB White Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ($61 w/ tax + $15 rebate @ Newegg) (Free ship)
Puts this build at $401, $15 rebate back.
By what metric is this better? Here are the differences I see based on the PCPartPicker Specs
AMD FX-6300
*Socket AM3+
*Speed 3.5GHz
*Cores 6
*L1 Cache 3 x 64KB Instruction 6, x 16KB Data
*L2 Cache 3 x 2MB
*L3 Cache 1 x 8MB
*Lithography 32 nm
*Thermal Design Power 95 Watts
Integrated Graphics No
Intel i5-4460
*Socket LGA1150
*Speed 3.2GHz
*Cores 4
*L1 Cache 4 x 32KB Instruction, 4 x 32KB Data
*L2 Cache 4 x 256KB
*L3 Cache 1 x 6MB
*Lithography 22 nm
*Thermal Design Power 84 Watts
*Integrated Graphics Intel HD Graphics 4600
I'm trying to google these things to see how to compare but any insight is of coarse is appreciated.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
intel i5-4460 - 6,640
AMD FX-6300 - 6,342
Basically each Intel core is significantly faster, allowing you to do more. There are some other reasons involving the architecture of the CPUs but simply put each Intel Core allows you to do more than each AMD core. Also you can look at heat output. The intel 22nm allows you to do more while producing a cooler chip, more important for micro builds than others.
If you want to keep your old case and utilize the FX 6300 here is the board you will want to get. - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157582
@BobbyDigi are you sold on that case? I'd probably get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 if I were looking for cheap good case. I don't know if you and Kelso are still doing the case but if you don't need a case this is probably what i'd do. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Mb43pg
Damn, dat HALF mid. Totes forgot about them. Those fulls were a crazy beast before everyone got serious about their full towers again. Stick that thing in some booty shorts, WUT WUT!
Uhhhh, buy my GPU shit.
I'm not married to the Scorpio V yet but I did a side-by-side comparison on Newegg and I didn't see anything compelling enough to go with the Cooler Master you posted instead. They both have pretty much everything I need and the Scorpio advertises more space for a video card (A current concern). Your build looks nice but price is out of range if I have to include the case.
After all of the input here and speaking with a few trusted computer heads today, I am going to go with the Intel build I listed above. Will continue to upgrade my AMD video card as appropriate.
I am going to start placing orders and to be honest I'm scared as hell
Orders places. Excited, but scared, but excited.
Thank you for the help everyone. Icrontic is the best!
Godspeed.
Quick update. SSD showed up on Monday. Case, Ram and HDD got here yesterday. Processor arrived today. Mobo had a slight delay, shipped today and will be here Friday. This weekend, the build will commence.