You want a free short-media T-Shirt? Help me out with this one....

primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' BoopinDetroit, MI Icrontian
edited August 2004 in Science & Tech
Free short-media T-Shirt to the first person who can tell me how to successfully delete folders tagged by FXP on a Windows 2000 NTFS share, without buying any software.

I've tried:

takeown
posix tools (installing cygwin and using RM)
permissions editing
custom written batch files that recursively take ownership of every single file in a directory

nothing has worked so far. There is a guy who sells a $40 piece of software that CLAIMS it can do the job (jrtwine software or something like that) but I'm not gonna pay some dude $40 for software that I'm not sure will work or not.

Anybody?
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  • edited April 2004
    sorry for my newbieness but what's fxp?
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited April 2004
    free edition of that software has delete capabilities...

    or are you needing the recursive function...

    Gobbles
  • CycloniteCyclonite Tampa, Florida Icrontian
    edited April 2004
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited April 2004
    also what FTP server software are you using master Prime?

    Gobbles
  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited April 2004
    Open a Command Prompt window and leave it open.

    Close all open programs.

    You now need to close EXPLORER.EXE. The proper way to shutdown Explorer is to raise the "Shut Down Windows" dialog (select "Shut Down..." from the start menu), hold down CTRL+SHIFT+ALT and press the CANCEL button. Explorer will exit cleanly.

    Note: The <CTRL+ALT+DEL> at the 'Shut Down Windows' dialog method of closing Explorer is built into Explorer. (It was specifically designed so that developers writing Shell Extensions could get Explorer to release their Shell Extension DLLs while debugging them).

    Go back to the Command Prompt window and change to the directory where the undeletable file is located in. At the command prompt type DEL <filename> where <filename> is the file you wish to delete.

    Go back to Task Manager, click File, New Task and enter EXPLORER.EXE to restart the GUI shell.

    Close Task Manager.


    Or try this

    http://yafc.sourceforge.net/manual/fxp.php


    That's my gue...errr...extensive knowledge.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    Trekky8472 wrote:
    nothing has worked so far. There is a guy who sells a $40 piece of software that CLAIMS it can do the job (jrtwine software or something like that) but I'm not gonna pay some dude $40 for software that I'm not sure will work or not.
    He claims it has undelete, but only for single files, which is useless, since there are about 500-1000 recursive directories underneath the top level.

    FXP is a script-kiddie thing. They scan for open, anonymous FTP servers and "tag" them by creating folder names with illegal characters in them. Once a folder is tagged, it cannot be deleted, but can be found by other FlashFXP users. It's used for illegal file sharing (Warez and movies, generally).
  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited April 2004
    I'm going to throw this into the pile too.

    http://www.megasecurity.org/trojans/w/wineggdrop/Wineggdropshell_eternity.html

    This is a build-in ftpd,which supports both Pasv and Port modes,supports most basic operations such as delete,create,download,upload,rename,and fxp is also supported.
  • edited April 2004
    That's pretty crafty. Damn, they can't be deleted eh? How about trying norton antivirus using the wipe function.... You may be way ahead of me on this though, just the first thing that popped in my two brain cells still active today.

    KingFish
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    MediaMan: Thanks for the attempt, I've never tried that method, but it didn't work... I'm sure that method would work for a single file, but this is an entire tree of 1000's of folders.

    Here's a screenie of this attempt:
  • 289Mustang289Mustang Husker Nation
    edited April 2004
    I'd use fdisk, that would get rid of it :)
  • edited April 2004
    maybe you already tried this but here is the link:

    postix commands

    it's a bunch of commands from microsoft that might help
  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited April 2004
    Another attempt.

    Open a command prompt, hit ctrl-alt-delete, find explorer.exe in the processes tab, and kill it. Close the task manager, and go to your command prompt. Navigate to the directory containing the little garbage files, and start deleting them. If you use "rd dirname /s /q" you will be able to get some of them right off.

    If you can't delete them that way, try listing the contents by doing "dir /x" which will list the 8 char names for the directories, use those names to delete more of them. Remember that the /s switch is for recursive, and the /q switch keeps it from asking permission each time. This method will help get rid of directories with bad names, or illegal characters in them.

    If you are left with a few directories, chances are they have names like 'aux' or 'com1' or 'com2' or something. In that case, windows is not letting you delete them because those are reserved words. You can bypass reserved word checking by using the following syntax with the del or 'rd' commands: "rd \\.\driveletter:\directory" For example "rd \\.\d:\ftpshare\com1\" got rid of the com1 directory that was causing trouble.


    or here

    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q120716
  • tophericetopherice Oak Ridge, TN
    edited April 2004
    Prime, go download yourself a copy of Knoppix STD (Security Tools Distrobution). It's a Live CD linux distro. that'll totally bypass NTFS permissions and everthing else. And it boots and runs from the CD. Give it a shot.
    http://www.knoppix-std.org/
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    Okay:

    1) Mediaman: Tried all those things. No go.

    2) Tropical: I have a full cygwin installation on the box, and have the full gamut of posix tools. No go.

    3) Topherice: The machine is in washington DC, and I'm in Detroit. :-/ I could have someone put a knoppix disk in the thing, but I wouldn't be able to log in remotely without explaining all kinds of things to the non-tech saavy person on the other end. I am attempting to do all of this remotely.

    4) 289Mustang.. See #3 - reinstall is not an option right now.
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    If the bandwidth is there you could always have the person get the image of the knoppix disc, you install VMWare and run it with the image and see if you can delete the file from within VMWare. :crazy:
  • EnverexEnverex Worcester, UK Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    I fixed something like this before... it required refering to the folders directly, not by Windows names, i.e. Drive1//Parition1/Disk1/blah along those lines. What I just said isn't going to be of any use without further information, but I can't think what it is right now :(
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    You could also try this.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    Enverex wrote:
    I fixed something like this before... it required refering to the folders directly, not by Windows names, i.e. Drive1//Parition1/Disk1/blah along those lines. What I just said isn't going to be of any use without further information, but I can't think what it is right now :(
    I'm pretty sure I tried that one too.

    VoE: NTFSDOS is a program that I have to purchase. I can't justify spending the money (and neither can my client) for just one folder.
  • shwaipshwaip bluffin' with my muffin Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    I dunno if this'll work, but apparently it's an alternative file manager that'll run in win2k. may work, may not.

    http://macarlo.com/freefilemanager2001.htm
  • edited April 2004
    Ugh, I had a tool that allowed you to shred a file whether it was in use or not, it over-rode windows little snit about doing just that and zapped it anyways, I wish I could remember the name of it...and the nice thing was it was free for 30 days and fully functional too, it would even shred a full folder and it incorporated itself into the shell so it was just a right click away.
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited April 2004
    prime sounds like your gonna have to boot it from cd and get into recovery console, you should be able to delete it there...

    Gobbles
  • edited April 2004
    Is boxing it up and him mailing it to you an option prime?

    KingFish
  • EnverexEnverex Worcester, UK Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    pseudonym wrote:
    Well this won't work because of the systems location, so this is just my curiosity, or a stupid question possibly. Could this whole problem be solved by a boot disk and some DOS commands, or am I over simplifying the problem? Nothing a little del *.* can't fix :)

    He couldn't do it from DOS normally as the drive is NTFS and thus can't be read in DOS. He doesn't want to pay for the NTFS DOS program and he can't actually get to the machine, so booting to a repair console is probably impossible too although that probably wouldn't work either, it didn't work for my rogue folder.
  • pseudonympseudonym Michigan Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    Well this won't work because of the systems location, so this is just my curiosity, or a stupid question possibly. Could this whole problem be solved by a boot disk and some DOS commands, or am I over simplifying the problem? Nothing a little del *.* can't fix :)
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    VoE: NTFSDOS is a program that I have to purchase. I can't justify spending the money (and neither can my client) for just one folder.
    It's freeware.
  • NecropolisNecropolis Hawarden, Wales Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    It's freeware.

    The free one is only read only. You have to pay for the pro version.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    VoE:

    Freeware version is read-only for NTFS. Because of journalling.

    http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/ntfsdos.shtml

    However, prime could try this:

    1. From recovery console, delete the folder recursively starting with the folder as explicit path and with an rmdir /s /f or other parms that force that directory to be deleted with all subdirectories. Secondly, it is possible that something like deltree exists.

    2. Then run the recovery console file system checker in full rebuild mode to get teh journals in sync with the NTFS actual file system.

    Or, get an Ultimate Boot Disk CD, boot from Linux, change parms to writable as admin, delete, then run recovery console for 2000 and have it fully rebuild file system including journals. the warning about NTFS is because journals will be out of sync with file system. So, you rebuild file system with journal rebuild, which is what happens when you force a bad sector search and recover. Missing actual trees get their directory and files entries from hournals, then 2000 might want to make one pass through file system to recover at boot, but since files will not be there it will confirm the fix from recovery console in overall effect.

    Overall, if prime could afford the Administrator's SysInternals Pack, or Disk Commander, this would be the best way and be usable for other clients (prime would be owner of license) computers also. Technically, prime's company offers admin services to clients. Box would need to come to prime to satisfy all legalities per letter of current laws, or prime or tk would need to go to client site.

    IF, however, the folder could be isolated on its own partition, partition could then be wiped. Move things there on partition other than folder to another logical drive, wipe part with any of ten or fifteen programs, then run file system recovery and let it acknowledge lack of part, then resize parts. PowerQuest utils, Linux, BSD, Recovery Console run of fdisk should all be able to do this partition removal part.

    Also look at TweakUI for 2000, see if there are part perm changers available in it, and if the 2000 CD has a util for moving files and then deleting isolated bad permed trees. Lets, under the circumstances, go at this SIDEWAYS. Isolate bad tree in its own partition (in this case bad permed tree) and then remove partition, then run file system recovery from console if needed, then resize a part or parts to get "wasted" space back.

    prime can PM me or email me for more explicit discussion.

    John D.
  • NecropolisNecropolis Hawarden, Wales Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    You could always try the 30 days trial of http://www.east-tec.com/eraser/

    See if that will get rid of the folders for you.
  • ZanthianZanthian Mitey Worrier Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    The only thing i could find is this...
    http://www.jtpfxp.net/dirbreak.htm maybe that will help.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited April 2004
    I've got some things to try.. I'll report back in a few...
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