9700 Pro to a 9800 Pro

edited October 2004 in Hardware
Ran across your article dated march 23,03 on turning a 9700 Pro to a 9800 Pro. Had difficulty with the patch (atimtag.exe) link, was a dead link. Anyone know where I might be able to find said animal??? Been very unhappy with my 9700 pro with my Medal of Honor Spearhead Multiplayer game, just can't seem to get the fps up to where other guys say their fps are with lesser systems and cards. For that matter, has anyone that changed their 9700 Pro to a 9800 Pro got any feedback on how it treated them??? I'm running a P4, 2.53, 1Ghz Ram, 9700 Pro, cable modem, good pings. Thanks!!!!

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  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited May 2004
    Sorry about that. Link is fixed. Go to this page. :)
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    Isn't this outdated now though, or so I have heard? I thought ATi 'fixed' this issue?
  • MedlockMedlock Miramar, Florida Member
    edited May 2004
    That is odd... I've never heard about being able to do that. I thought you couldn't do that because the cards are just too different. Not like OC'ing a 9500 (Pro) to a 9700 (Pro). I didn't think that could be done. I think I'll give it a shot when I get back home from school.

    When the article says "no risk" does that mean it's not even doing anything to default clocks? Can I turn this thing back if I don't like it? A system restore would do the trick right?
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited May 2004
    I've seen someone take a 9500 to a 9800 somehow.
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    I am curious, will this work on my Radeon9700? Cuase I will try!!! Well forget it... I'll try it anyways, got time to waist before Lab.

    NM.... just read the WHOLE article, depressing... :P :banghead:
  • SputnikSputnik Worcester, MA
    edited May 2004
    uh.... how can you do that? aren't they different architectures? last i checked they were....
  • edited May 2004
    Thanks MEDIA MAN for the updated link. I followed directions carefully, and proceeded with minimal head-scratching. Everything went fine and everything was where it was supposed to be at all times until the final re-boot, at which time I noticed the low resolution...got the following error message: The currently selected graphics display driver can not be used, it was written for a previous version of windows, (I'm on XP Home) and is no longer compatible with this version of windows. The system has been restarted using the default VGA driver. Please contact your hardware manufacturer to get an upgraded driver, or select one of the MS provided drivers.
    I was a little bummed, I had high hopes..lol
    So I thought no problem, a system restore should roll it all back..so I started and was amazed to find that my system restore had been turned off !! So, after another *groan* got it rolled back to the old 9700 pro settings.
    I've been reading the responses here, as to whether or not this can actually be done and if a guy could realize a noticeable improvement. I do thank everyone for their comments, if nothing else, more of an edjumacation for the inner workings of my box has been gained if nothing else. Was hoping to stall the inevitable...the plunking down of my hard-earned, greenback-frogbellies for one of the new 256 Mb cards....and with the latest offerings from both ATI and Nvidia, yes that is drool that I wipe away from the dry mouth. Again, Thanks everyone!!! MR DAVE
  • MedlockMedlock Miramar, Florida Member
    edited May 2004
    Sputnik wrote:
    uh.... how can you do that? aren't they different architectures? last i checked they were....
    Yup, that's what I was trying to say. I've seen an article... something at hard ocp i think. They compared the 9700 to the 9800 with equal clock speeds - they underclocked the 9800 Pro to match 9700 Pro's speeds. 9800 still outperformed the 9700. :thumbsup:
    Mr Dave wrote:
    Thanks MEDIA MAN for the updated link. I followed directions carefully, and proceeded with minimal head-scratching. Everything went fine and everything was where it was supposed to be at all times until the final re-boot, at which time I noticed the low resolution...got the following error message: The currently selected graphics display driver can not be used, it was written for a previous version of windows, (I'm on XP Home) and is no longer compatible with this version of windows.
    Yup. Just tried here. Same error. Same res with the same 256 colors. :thumbsdow (I'm using XP Pro) Dangit, I actually thought it was gonna work! Luckily though, my system restore was still on, and I had created a restore point just in case things like this might happen. :banghead: ;D I know how that is... It sucks. :banghead:

    -Rick
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    TheGr81 wrote:
    Yup, that's what I was trying to say. I've seen an article... something at hard ocp i think. They compared the 9700 to the 9800 with equal clock speeds - they underclocked the 9800 Pro to match 9700 Pro's speeds. 9800 still outperformed the 9700. :thumbsup:


    Yup. Just tried here. Same error. Same res with the same 256 colors. :thumbsdow (I'm using XP Pro) Dangit, I actually thought it was gonna work! Luckily though, my system restore was still on, and I had created a restore point just in case things like this might happen. :banghead: ;D I know how that is... It sucks. :banghead:

    -Rick

    To be honest, the only way the 9700 Pro to 9800 Pro might work for a relatively long term is to OC the GPU and have unusually FAST RAM mounted on card in relatively huge amounts. The only other way to have this work is to have a 9800 Pro mismarked as a 9700 Pro and sold as such, or have a 9700 Pro card with a mismarked 9800 Pro GPU on it. Normally this kind of overclocking results in a situation that yeilds sudden and unusually rapid card death absent extreme measures of cooling and lots of very fast GRAM (both at once).

    As HardOCP and others have shown, the norm is the opposite result when trying this kind of thing. Failure of free GPU gen upgrading via software of any sort is the norm.

    I am calling no-one a lier here, simply saying this is so unusually and faintly possible that it might need further investigation.

    John D.
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    I didn't see anything in those benches to convince me of anything! :/
  • Omatic810Omatic810 Gainesville, FL
    edited October 2004
    Crap! I wasted a whole five minutes reading that article! I want my money back!
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