Wireless Networks Constantly Drop!

edited September 2004 in Science & Tech
Hey Guys, thanks for helping...

Is there any way to lock down a wireless network so it doesn't drop. I know that other networks in the area create a problem but I don't even see any. My router is like 5 feet from the computer!

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  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    Let me guess:

    you have a linksys router.

    True or false?
  • edited September 2004
    Yeah I have a linksys router.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    Ta da! Welcome to the world of crap!

    I have had multiple linksys routers and I have come to the conclusion that they are piles of steaming crap. As soon as I am financially able, I am dumping this heap of turd, and buying one that works.

    For reference, I am a professional network installer. I have installed dozens of wired and a few wireless networks in my day. I have tried everything on Cisco/Linksys' website, I have the latest firmware, I have purchased high-gain booster antennae, I have dumped more money into this god-forsaken piece of stinking rotten squirrel dung than I care to think about. I am done with Linksys and their ridiculously ineffective hardware.

    I have even tried overclocking it, turning off security, you name it. Even with the computers 10 ****ing feet away from the thing (and I've tried multiple APs - it's not just a defective one) they still drop occasionally.

    Bleh. Sorry. Buy a new AP. It's a copout for me to give advice like that, but I don't do this very often.
  • edited September 2004
    Just in case anyone still has this type of problem: often times, the cause is not the router or the wireless zero configuration utility, though that can exagerate the problem due to attempting to re-negotiate the wireless link every so often. This problem is not limited to any particular vendor of access point or card; a quick Google will prove that.

    I have found the true culprit in my case to be 802.1x authentication enabled by default on network adapters in Windows XP. If the router does not support this feature or if it is not correctly configured, WZC will fail to negotiate an authenticated link with the router and will disable the adapter.

    I have sorted out 100% of my disconnection problems by disabling 802.1x authentication (on the adapter's properties) as per the recommendation of the XP SP2 readme file.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    Heh. I have lots of experience with Linksys wireless gear (Over 50 WAPs), and I don't have any of the problems listed in this thread.

    //EDIT:

    Come to think of it. This was my counter-copout response. Yay.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    believe me, i knew thrax would pipe in here with that.

    There are no wireless devices in my home(s) (this has been a problem at both my houses and various clients that I have), to interfere, I've tried multiple channels, I've tried every damned trick in the book (yes, including the authentication thing)... THEY JUST SUCK.

    //edit:

    plus, in XP SP2, they've removed the authentication tab from a wireless adapter property sheet.
  • edited September 2004
    Yes, SP2 disables 802.1x authentication and removes the authentication tab IF you manually enter an encryption key. This is precisely because it caused a lot of problems for a lot of people. (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0804.mspx)

    Disabling it on my pre-SP2 computers fortunately solved my problems, though. My farts don't even stink anymore...! This despite the fact that I'm running a Linksys router (WRT54G, 2.02.7).

    Personally, I disagree with your (very broad) statement about all Linksys routers not being worth the plastic they're encased in; as a bigshot around here (and deservedly so), you're certainly entitled to voice your oppinion, but that type of emotionally motivated statement only serves to further increase the FUD factor for others wrt wireless products in general.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    I'm not trying to introduce FUD for all wireless products. I'm speaking of my personal experience with every single wireless network I've installed using Linksys products. I have had success with other brands (excepting the Microsoft brand) but I just have encountered too many problems with Linksys wireless products to recommend them anymore. I have no issues with Linksys wired products, so my statement wasn't THAT broad - I'm talking specifically about the Linksys WAP11, and all of their Wireless router/AP combos. That's only a few products.
  • ShortyShorty Manchester, UK Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    Ive got a perfectly working Linksys Wirless 54G sitting right beside me.. has never glitched since day one..

    Guess it's luck of the draw?
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    I just have had too much bad "luck" to consider it luck of the draw, I guess. As I said, I've installed this in several production networks and they just suck. That's muh story and uh'm stickin' to it. ;D
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    Maybe there's a big consipiracy against you at Linksys HQ :crazy:

    /me ships prime a tinfoil hat
    Could help with the reception ;D;D
  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    Sorry to drag up a dead thread. Not sure if my problem is the same or not, let me describe it.

    Computer in the living room. XP Pro, SP1. Linksys USB 'g' wireless card. Sits beside a computer that uses a DLink PCI wireless card and has no issues. The router is a DLink. In any case, the connection keeps dropping. And the balloon pops up from the tray icon saying something like 'wireless network is available, click here to join'. Click the icon, hit connect and it does. Problem is, the connection drops 3 minutes later and has to be manually connected again.

    Is there a check box somewhere that will automatically log this thing on when the connection drops??????
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    It's the USB card. USB is complete crap for networking equipment.
  • ShortyShorty Manchester, UK Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    I just have had too much bad "luck" to consider it luck of the draw, I guess. As I said, I've installed this in several production networks and they just suck. That's muh story and uh'm stickin' to it. ;D
    User error ? :D
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    Pebkac!
  • PreacherPreacher Potomac, MD Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    Atom,
    just curious..I can't deselect the 802.1x authentication checkbox on my SP1 box. How do you do that?

    I seemed to have solved my dropping problem by installing Microsoft's WPA hotfix for SP1 (it's already incorporated into SP2) as well as turing on SSID broadcast. I still have MAC Filtering and WPA enabled. I feel pretty secure since I've sniffed multiple networks from the neighbours that are on standard channel #6, standard SSID, and not even WEP enabled. They're just lucky I'm not my 16 year old mischievious self!
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    I only have problems with dropouts from certain linksys nics but not the rest. after checking serial nos I found that they are from and older lot ...I think they were dumping crap at the time and i stepped in.
    anyway ...i replaced the access point and the nic at my workstation with netgear and the ap is ok but my mic has been nothing but trouble.
  • edited September 2004
    Preacher wrote:
    Atom,
    just curious..I can't deselect the 802.1x authentication checkbox on my SP1 box. How do you do that?

    I seemed to have solved my dropping problem by installing Microsoft's WPA hotfix for SP1 (it's already incorporated into SP2) as well as turing on SSID broadcast.

    Are you using your card's proprietary software for managing you wireless settings, or that of Windows? (In other words: is "Use Windows to configure my wireless network settings" checked or not?)

    802.1x will likely be grayed out if the above settings (aka Wireless Zero Configuration or WZC) is disabled. If you're still getting dropouts in that scenario, 802.1x authentication is very unlikely to be the cause of your problems. Try looking elsewhere (and that's MY copout! ;-))
  • edited September 2004
    keto wrote:
    Sorry to drag up a dead thread. Not sure if my problem is the same or not, let me describe it.

    Computer in the living room. XP Pro, SP1. Linksys USB 'g' wireless card. Sits beside a computer that uses a DLink PCI wireless card and has no issues. The router is a DLink. In any case, the connection keeps dropping. And the balloon pops up from the tray icon saying something like 'wireless network is available, click here to join'. Click the icon, hit connect and it does. Problem is, the connection drops 3 minutes later and has to be manually connected again.

    Is there a check box somewhere that will automatically log this thing on when the connection drops??????

    This does sound like a possible candidate for 802.1x authentication problems. If viable, upgrade to Windows XP SP2 and see if that solves your problem. If not, go to the properties of your card, view the advanced/authentication tab, and deselect the 802.1x authentication option.
  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    I actually got this squared away. Buried somewhere deep in the properties boxes, about 3 layers deep, is a checkbox to automatically connect to (something or other) that sounded wrong but works a charm. I also did deselect 802.1 - did that first and it did NOT solve my problem but have left it unselected. No more dropping network - or more accurately, no more having to manually reconnect. Thank you for the reply(s).
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