Very Bad Boot Prob

edited October 2004 in Hardware
Ok i brought my com to a friends house to hook up to tv through svideo. We hooked it up and i got no signal on tv, so i thought oh vid card settings. I went and hooked my com up to his monitor and turned it all on. My com would get all the way to the Windows loading with the blue moving bar....after awhile it would flash a little blue and then it would restart and go in this cycle. So after many ideas i completely wiped my computer and it started in normal at first....i then installed my vid card drivers, sound drivers, and direct x. Then i restarted for the second time and the same boot thing happened. So i went back and booted from last good config....still jus rebooted. The only way i can start my computer is in Safe Mode. At first i was thinking my vid card....bu the First time i started it up after wipe i could enter the video card properties so i dont kno if that is my problem anymore, and my com reads my hd good. This makes no sense because it all worked a matter of 5 hours ago. Any ideas are GREATLY appreciated.
Specs: Amd 3000, 1024 ddr 2700, geforce fx5700, Soyo Dragron 2, 120 Western Digital, and dvd read/burn drive.

Comments

  • botheredbothered Manchester UK
    edited September 2004
    I think if this started after you've moved it somethings come loose. Check all the cables and cards etc. Make sure everything is connected and seated correctly.
  • edited September 2004
    I have unplugged and checked everything and my computer reads that i have the HD and cd drives and everything in bios. Could it be my agp card?
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited September 2004
    Try booting into Safe Mode and uninstalling the video card, then use Driver Cleaner (or something comparable) to completely blow out the drivers.

    I'd then try a different driver version. Later ones, if they are available, but earlier drivers if you have to.

    Good Luck. :)
  • edited September 2004
    Well i looked at many more different forums and tried the chkdsk /r and it WORKED....but then i put my hd in my old com to get files off of and it started boot loop again.....so i did chkdsk /r againa and it worked
    Any explanation greatly appreciated. ps my com is nicknamed the antichrist and it can back up its name, lol.
  • edited September 2004
    Ok after about 2 hours i went to restart and again i am back in this boot log. So now i am back to chkdsk /r i guess....this is retarded though i am not waiting two hours everytime i restart. Any suggestions?
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited September 2004
    JSKILL wrote:
    ...Any suggestions?
    Yeah. Try the advice in Post #4. :vimp:

    We are a stubborn bunch. If that doesn't get it we'll move on to something else.

    Hang in. :thumbup
  • MAGICMAGIC Doot Doot Furniture City, Michigan Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    do you overclock?, i had some crazy problems like that when my 1700 started to die, also i had something like that when i had the jumper wrong on my hdd when i added another. just a couple ideas.
  • edited September 2004
    Ok well i went into safe mode and was goin to try the driver cleaner, but then i realized that when it boot looped it was flashing a blue screen with words and then rebooting, and i read how to disable auto reboot on crash hoping to see the words on that blue page in order to give you guys more info but when i restarted again it worked fine. So as of now it still works fine....one more piece of info, when i got my com to my friends house and the svideo didnt work a friend suggested repair install and windows said that my hard drive was either too big, damaged, or a non windows format. I jus dont get how in 3 blocks a hd can changed os, lol. But idk....i jus keep changing little things here and there and hopefully find a combo.. Thanks for all your help so far.

    UPDATE: Ok the blue screen came up when i restarted and it said the error was caused by : Umountable Boot Volume
    no idea wat that means will try the driver cleaning tool tomm morning....jus thought i would add this incase it helped any of ya.
  • edited September 2004
    ouch ive seen that sooo man times on mine its usually fix by wiping the whole hardrive and yup that includes a format sadly ive done it sooooo many times try getting a2 gig or 4 gig and put xp only and put ur other stuff on the other drive that way it doesnt screw up

    im not actually sure what cause it to do it but who knows ive had 2 hdds eva since and not had a prob

    and by the way the unmountable boot info is very common
  • edited September 2004
    JSKILL, it sounds to me like your hard drive might be getting ready to take the big and final dump, sorry to say. I had an IBM Deathstar act like that on me for around 3 months before it totally went tits-up. It would run fine if the computer was left stationary but when I moved it, even just to lay the machine on it's side for cleaning, the drive would mess up and I would have to recover it with the chkdsk/r command. Go download your drive manufacturer's disk checking program and have it do a thorough check of your hard drive.
  • edited September 2004
    muddocktor wrote:
    JSKILL, it sounds to me like your hard drive might be getting ready to take the big and final dump, sorry to say. I had an IBM Deathstar act like that on me for around 3 months before it totally went tits-up. It would run fine if the computer was left stationary but when I moved it, even just to lay the machine on it's side for cleaning, the drive would mess up and I would have to recover it with the chkdsk/r command. Go download your drive manufacturer's disk checking program and have it do a thorough check of your hard drive.


    well mine done that but then i fixed it and it went fine by getting another hardive ...so thats what i would suggest and it only ever seem to do it when my hdd was near full
  • edited September 2004
    Yea i had suspected it was my hard drive. But i am curious as to why it will start in safe mode? Like it always will.
  • TexTex Dallas/Ft. Worth
    edited September 2004
    Because its not installing all the drivers and doesnt do as many checks. When you boot into safe mode and go into device manager make sure you have the option to show hidden devices set. I bet you got a ton of extra devices in some categories. Manually delete all the extra ghost versions that appear a lighter color. Reboot and repeat process.

    There is nothing in a unmountable boot volume that needs a format to fix either. EVER if the harddisk is sound. And yours is. You might want to make sure the bios has smart enabled also though.

    When you do chkdsk are you doing it in safe mode or from recovery console? Try it from recovery console or a ERD boot disk or cdrom.

    When you say you checked the disk/cdrom cables etc... Did you check both ends? Try reseating the video card and make sure its ALL THE WAY IN. If you have any other cards remove them for now.

    It sounds like it got screwed up after the initial move with maybe a card that wasnt seated properly. When you reboot it or it rebooted itself because it couldnt read from all the devices properly and barfed on the device re-install your trashing the filesystem and it needs cleaned. You need to get rid of extra devices for now like any add-in cards. Even disable sound and LAN in the bios if its there and just get the filesystem cleaned and booted into XP and then we can clean up the rest.

    tex
  • edited September 2004
    Yea i will try that all when i get home Tex. I was really questioning the hard drive cuz even last night i was able to run it in normal mode until i restarted and i was playing games, downloading and everything. Also would it help if i used a disk to COMPLETELY erase my hd and then reinstall windows. I remember using i think bootitng when i had a boot virus.

    Could i have messed anything up dealing with my vid card by trying to hook it up svideo without messing with the vid card properties first. Becuase everything worked fine till we got it there and tried svideo. Maybe something was wrong before the svideo but i jus figured i would check.
  • TexTex Dallas/Ft. Worth
    edited September 2004
    You can boot from the XP cd and simply do a full format. But if you really think (and I don't btw...) that its a hard drive problem then the manufacturer has a diagnostic disk you can use to test the drive and even low level it if you think its needed. When you do a chkdsk in XP do you dod a full scan? Check both the data area and the free space with a full surface check?

    Tex
  • edited September 2004
    Alright i went and checked all my cables in my com. Everything was up, so i booted in safe mode and uninstalled my vid card drivers and audio drivers i rebooted and got this prob
    \systemroot\system32\ntdll.dll
    so i went and ran my chkdsk /r....rebooted got my unmountable problem, so i did a repair install and am still gettin the unmountable prob.

    Now i have just lost my access to safe mode, LOL. Well i am running chkdsk again to gain acces back into safe mode hopefully. :) im at the point where this problem is jus becoming funny
  • edited September 2004
    a repair install will not work it has to be formatted unless the boot secter is f***ed
  • edited September 2004
    OK after not being able to find my way back even into safe mode i have started a FULL reformat. I will give you updates on my sucess or failure.

    OK even after a full reformat i still recieve the unmountable boot error.
  • edited September 2004
    Ok i ran a program called bootitng and it COMPLETELY wiped the hardrive supposedly. The windows disk partitions it but when it restarts to install i get the unmountable boot volume again :( kinda feels like ive traveled backwards through my decision LOL but thanks for help and keep it coming i jus keep workin at it.

    Well now we can officially rule out Hard Drive. I found the Maxtor Diagnostics tool and the hard drive passed with flying colors. So theres some positive news for once.
  • edited September 2004
    OK, since the hard drive got a good bill of health, you might try running memtest86, which you can download on our site. Make a bootable floppy or cd with it and run it to see if maybe you are having memory errors.
  • edited September 2004
    Ok i will try that...a friend also suggested it becuase i have 2 sticks of 256 and one 512. But when i put in the 512 it wouldnt even partition and same with one of the 256's. Could a memory error cause setup to not be able to partition a hard drive. The only answer to a non partitioning hard drive i kno of is to run bootitng and completely erase it (for a boot virus) and that was unsucessful. But i will try my memory and see wat i got.
  • edited September 2004
    Ok i do have one thing that MIGHT be my problem. When i installed my new mobo Soyo Dragon 2. I could only get things on ide 1 to work. So i set up a situation of my dvd drive as master and hd as primary slave. I have now put hd as master and am attempting a floppy xp install.

    Alright Update time....As of right now i am unable to partition my hard drive. Memtest passed and so did my hard drive. I am basically out of ideas.
  • edited September 2004
    Man, since you've been having problems with the mobo with the ide ports, I think that you might have a defective mobo. Sounds like something on the mobo that controls the ide ports could be fubar to me.

    Can you partition and format the hard drive on another mobo? I think that would be next step in checking things out. If the hard drive will partition and format on another mobo, then I would say that it pretty well pinpoints your Soyo mobo as the problem.
  • edited September 2004
    that would ultimately be the best thing, lol......becuase i jus happen to have an asus a7n8x or something like that...becuase i JUST upgraded two weeks ago..

    Hey jus an idea....but i do have a working semi old p3 system running (the one im on now) and i was wondering if it would it help if i tried to install windows on my older p3 machine and then put the hd back into my soyo mobo and see if that works. I DO have my old hp board but that be a last, cuz it would suck to move everything in and out.
  • edited September 2004
    alright update. I HAVE FOUND THE DAMN PROBLEM :):):):):):):):):)
    It ended up being my soyo kt880 mobo. I put in my old hp one an everything worked fine. Thank you all for your help...soyo will be hearing from me. Thank you.

    Well one more slight prob. I finally got the mobo out of the hp case and into my other case and when i was done hooking it up i realized i get NO power to anything inside the case. no fans or anything. But it does have a green light on back. I was wondering it has two plugs and i kno i put two plugs from the ps into the mobo. One is like a sqaure and one is the big rectangle one. I jus cant find where to put the square one on this mobo. If anyone can help me bout hooking ps up to an hp computer model a330n i would be very appreciative :)

    Ok i found out the ps was good....but now i am trying to hook up the power on button to the mobo for which i have no manual, lol. But hey this is nothing compared to recent probs.
  • edited September 2004
    Completely fixed that soyo board can burn in hell :) Thanks all for your help
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited September 2004
    UM, I'm gonna ask one seemingly dumb question. Did you plug your new Soyo board into an OEM HP PSU???

    Here's Why: Some HP PSUs are CUSTOM WIRED and will not burn out custom wired HP motherboards but will happily kill Soyo boards. HP PSUs are ONLY for use in HP boxes, some of them (MANY of the HP PSUs only work with HP other things). IF you get a normal everyday motherboard, please get it a matching normal everyday PSU, OK???? ATX12V (the sqaure connector, two yellows and two blacks) and the long rectangular one (about up to ten wire colors depending on who made and wired the PSU). IF your PSU did not come from HP, then please have it thoroughly tested, or check the voltages out of the connectors mentioned above to make sure they are right and STAY right. Ideally you need a logging VOM for this.

    That takes care of hardware side, and on the software side NTDLL.DLL can be replaced by a virus which can leave you with a real mess-- AT LEAST several target DLL files.
  • edited September 2004
    Yea i am sorry i worded that ? wrong. My soyo board went bad. And i was attempting to hook up the power on/off switch on the hp mobo without a manual. It took a lot of trial and error but successfully made it. On the hp case the wire is jus one big thing...but when i switched cases i got tons of small wires and connectors. But i got it working.

    As for the soyo board....i am being told some kind of ide problem or failure and am working with soyo for a solution. At this point any com is better than no com.

    Alright maybe i am not COMPLETELY out of clear yet. I can tell my computer is running a bit sluggish and the only thing different bout this set up is 256 less ram...but i still got 768 so that shouldnt matter. I also am noticing video probs in games and slow and it jus seems to have slow reaction. I am doin a repair install then driver cleaner and diff drivers and see wat happens.
  • edited October 2004
    id try using the xp format on the xp cd that might work

    if not the boot sector on ur harddrive is on the bink
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