star wars galaxy question

kanezfan

I've been playing kotor 2 and love it, and at the same time I feel sad for when it will end and I'm already longing for a new Star Wars role playing game, so I thought about getting into SWG. Now in the interest of staying as cheap as possible, I thought I'd buy a used copy, but after looking on ebay, it seems you can't buy a used one, I'm guessing because the serial number is tied to the account. Am I right here? And another thing, does it still cost $15/month to play this? I was in the beta and liked this game. Do I have to buy a boxed copy, or can I download it from Sony?

TheBaron

yes, yes, no

kanezfan

thanks, thanks, thanks.

Thrax

I wished SWG was like, 10% as good as KOTOR/2.. I'd never be seen in the mortal world again.

Pseudonym, come help me bitch about the sadness that is SWG.

kanezfan

kotor 2 is so good. i'm so addicted, i want to play it so much, but with only so many hours available in the day taken up by work and family, i find myself playing it until like 3 or 4 in the morning.

primesuspect

omg i can't take it anymore. When is this pig coming out for PC?

Thrax

I've been avoiding the xbox, reviews and previews like the plague. I want KOTOR II so bad it hurts. :bawling:

pseudonym

Yeah, SWG sucks compared to KOTOR, or Tie Fighter, or X-Wing, or Dark Forces , but I hear jump to lightspeed makes it better, but if you want to be good in that, you need to be good at the ground game, and thats kind of off IMO. If you want a MMORPG go for World of Warcraft. Just my opinion though.

I might get KOTOR 2 for the XBox since I have one sitting there and played the first one on it, but WoW may prevent me from that.

kanezfan

kotor 2 is awesome, at least you guys don't have to suffer through the bugs. hopefully they'll be cleared up by the time it hits the PC. a lot of people are bitching on obsidian's forums about bugs in the game, and there are a few that are showstoppers right now. i personally experienced one close to the beginning of the game and it was just luck that I got past it. you probably shouldn't read about it too much though cause people on those forums let spoilers fly without warning. there's some talk that it might be copy protection related somehow, but people with unmodded xboxes and the actual disc swear up and down that it's happening to them too, so who knows if they're lying or if it's true. anyways, here's to Talin Jace, my level 16 Jedi Guardian, Level 2 Weapon Master, about 17 hours into the game now, and loving every minute of it.

also I feel embarassed to say this, but I finally figured out how to play pazaak. i always understood the rules of the game, don't go over 20, but i never got that the cards are drawn from a deck like in a casino, i always thought they'd be drawn from your sidedeck, and would get so frustrated when i'd pick let's say a 4, and a 10 would come out. I don't know exactly how the light of realization dawned on me, but once it did i was like ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

modded xboxes > * that's all I've been doing lately, i've been bored of teh interweb.

-tk

kanezfan wrote:

Level 2 Weapon Master

did they change the starting character classes you can pick from?

kanezfan

no, but as you progress through the game, you get to choose a master level, i forget the exact name

-tk

kanezfan wrote:

no, but as you progress through the game, you get to choose a master level, i forget the exact name

ok, I'm salivating now. No more spoilers until it comes out for PC.

Thrax

Prestige class; a nod to the SWRPG d20 origins of the game.

kanezfan

Yeah I think it's called prestige classes or something. I'm playing it as a good guy all the way the first time around, as a guardian, or whatever category is most interested in kicking ass. The NPCs are A LOT more interesting too, like I said I'm like 17 hours into it and I still have no idea what some of my teammates are up to, whether they're trying to help, sabotage me, or what. You will LOVE this game if you liked KOTOR1.

kanezfan

Thrax wrote:

Prestige class; a nod to the SWRPG d20 origins of the game.

What's d20? I have no idea what you're talking about.

Thrax

Oh, sorry. Heh.

D20 is a 20-sided die that's used in virtually any tabletop RPG game. Dungeons and Dragons uses it, many White Wolf World of Darkness campaigns use it, Star Wars tabletop RPG uses it. As a very basic, skills you can perform in the game are rolled out with a D20.

Say you want to force push a bad guy; that's a move object check in SWRPG. Your character has an innate skill that increases as your character levels up, as you're allowed to add a certain formula of points to what skills you want every level -- this innate skill gets added to your roll. So you toss down the d20, and say you roll a 12, then you get to add your innate skill, say it's also a twelve for a total roll of 24. The person you're pushing needs to ALSO roll a D20 to see if he can resist that push, and there are various rules regarding the dissipation/absorption/diffusing of various attacks in the Force. If you succeed or fail, the campaign goes on and you and your friends get to act out or play the role of a character -- it sounds dorky to some, but I love it.

The KOTOR series is based off this D20 system, although greatly simplified. Characters have skill points allotted as you level, classes just like in SWRPG, prestige classes which permit an intense focusing of skills into one area..

There are many prestige classes in Star Wars for the force: Artisan, Artificer, Investigator, Scholar, Weapons Master, Craftsman, and more. There are also a great many prestige classes without using the Force: Starship Captain, Outlaw, Priest, Master Slicer (Hacker), Loyal Protector, and more.

It also allows force skills (Force Push, Force Pull, See Force, Destroy Droid) and Force Feats (Resist sleep, pyrokinesis, resist poison, resist sleep) to be used. It's really quite interesting to have played SWRPG for years (Level 1 Tech Specialist/Level 1 Soldier/Level 5 Jedi Sentinel/Level 10 Jedi Scholar/Level 2 Jedi Master/Level 1 Master Duelist if anyone cares) and be able to see how KOTOR has implemented the system.

kanezfan

AAAhh, then you'll be very happy to know that it's a lot more complex then the first kotor. I'm not into all that roll stuff, but just about everything you equip or wear or use has some modifier attached to it like what you describe. another thing which is not a spoiler really, but the workbenches can now be used to break down items and create new items, like in the first kotor you might have been out of spikes, now you can make them, and depending on who you choose to do it, you might need more or less parts. It's very in depth at times. They also put in lab stations now, where you can create medical items. I like more for the story line personally, but if all that roll the dice stuff is more your cup of tea, you're definitely in for a treat cause you can customize to your heart's content.

kanezfan

I also have to say that I really like that they used the same engine as kotor 1. At first I thought it was a cheap thing to do, but now I really like that it feels the same, like you're really art of the same universe you came to love in the first place.

Thrax

Oh I definitely love KOTOR for being the best Star Wars game(s) to date; the story of the first was <b>insanely</b> good, but it's also good to know Obsidian went crazy with the D20. Good to ALSO know that the engine is the same -- best idea ever.