I never played HL1(questions)

RWBRWB Icrontian
edited February 2005 in Gaming
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I just finished HL2... is it supposed to continue or something? I get to a point where time appears frozen and some guy is talking to me. Walks through a door, and that's it? Is this where HL3 will start with? How did HL1 end? Why are there a bunch of aliens running around?

I did play A LITTLE bit of HL1, at first aliens from that other dimension came through some device that blew up. That's about as far as I got with that one, it was a friends copy. Why are they friendly now, some evil and all that?

I guess I am lost, and ain't too satisfied with the ending so far for HL2.

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  • CBCB Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Der Millionendorf- Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Near the end of HL1, the Gman asks you if you would like to work for him. It's the only point in the game where the player has a choice of paths.

    Here's my interpretation: Gman is obviously not from earth or from the alien world that earth connected to in HL1. He works for someone else, some kind of inter-planetary MIB. So do you, through him, as of the end of HL1 (assuming that you chose that path, which HL2 does assume).

    Your time in City 17 is one of your missions, but you don't really get told much. He teleports you from the end of HL1 directly into the train bound for City 17. It's years later. This is proved possible later in the game, remember when you and the pretty girl miss a whoile week?

    After defeating the doctor at the end of HL2, the Gman moves you to a new mission. Who knows what surprises that mission may hold for Gordon.

    As I said, that's my interpretation, but it seems to fit, ja?
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Fit's like a glove....

    What about all them aliens and stuff...
  • edited January 2005
    They where improsend by the nihlnanth(end boss) and gordon set them free.

    The combine moved to enslave them aswell, so they allied with the humans.

    The HL universe's story isnt spoon fed to you and there are lots of little details around the world that give you clues.
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Well I can't wait to see the next few games then if it's a continuing story. It is very intriguing. I guess now I need to get the first HL and play it through, then replay HL2 to make sure I got everything :D
  • CyrixInsteadCyrixInstead Stoke-on-Trent, England Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Let's just not hope we have to wait another 6 years for it though!!!! Worse than wating for LotR!!!

    ~Cyrix
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    It IS a very well written story..... Probably one of the better video game story lines.
  • edited January 2005
    There is alot of stuff that is in the half life universe that you just have to look for. Heres something to get your thinkerboxes thinking.
    http://img106.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img106&image=screenhunter0012io.jpg
  • floppybootstompfloppybootstomp Greenwich New
    edited January 2005
    Regardless of the story line, HL1 is worth playing just cos it's such a good game. Must have played it through about 6 times and Opposing Force, Blue Shift and Gunman Chronicles.

    Lots of good free add-ons from places like Planet Half Life as well - try They Hunger, 1, 2, & 3.

    Obviously HL1 ain't quite so pretty as the latest instalment but for such an old game, very playable indeed.
  • edited January 2005
    ^Ben wrote:
    There is alot of stuff that is in the half life universe that you just have to look for. Heres something to get your thinkerboxes thinking.
    http://img106.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img106&image=screenhunter0012io.jpg

    That's a guy being converted into a "Stalker", or a human fused with Combine technology. You see them in on the monitors in Nova Prospekt, and in the Citidell.
  • edited January 2005
    No theres a certain persons briefcase in that picture :O

    Combine are just humans with a frontal labotamy done.
  • edited January 2005
    ^Ben wrote:
    No theres a certain persons briefcase in that picture :O
    Where?
    ^Ben wrote:
    Combine are just humans with a frontal labotamy done.


    Nope. They are a difrrent species which invaded Earth, and (much like the Borg) assimilate diffrent races into their own workforce. (says so in Raising the Bar, and I believe the strat-guide).

    In fact, the 'thing' Dr. Breen is seen talking to both at the beginning and the end of the game is what the Combine species actually is.
  • CBCB Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Der Millionendorf- Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Ja, I think that's the species, but the ones who are from another world are not called Combine. The Combine, I think, must be the human's that are modified to 'combine' with the alien technology. I think that the aliens we fought with in HL1 were Combine from another world, which had been previously subjegated. The friendly ones in HL2 are the non-combined version (or perhaps un-combined). I think the head-crabs are an engineered creature. They are the first step toward becomming Combine.

    I don't think we get a name for the other race, yet.
  • edited January 2005
    I dunno... Eli reffers to the Combine having invaded Earth after the Black Mesa incident.
  • edited January 2005
    Oops I meant the combine soldiers are just frontal labotamised humans.

    The place where the headcrabs came from and other creatures was xen.

    The combine have captured a gonarch(the big walking testicle) And are basically breeding headcrabs then putting them in shells and when they want to make an area uninhabitable they will fire loads of headcrabs into the area.
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  • deicistdeicist Manchester, UK
    edited January 2005
    Here's my take on the whole thing, the G-man is from our future (bare with me on this) and uses Gordon, interjected at certain points into time / space to ensure that the G-mans future is the one that comes to happen..... maybe the Black Mesa incident was never meant to happen and some kind of screw up in the time space contiuoum (sp?) meant it did happen and now the G-man has to patch things up as best he canm, using Gordon as a proxy. or Maybe I've seen too much star trek :D
  • edited January 2005
    No, it seems that GMAN acts as some kind of broker for Gordon, it seems that the gman deals in talents of people(what would a guy who can seemingly manipulate time do with material possesions) And it does seem that he has some kind of contact with other people in the HL world.

    He speaks to Odessa and "maybe" gives him the info that a gunship is on the way plus a rocket launcher?

    And the characters were all expecting Gordon, so they must of been notified of his arrival by something(probably the GMAN)

    Also he seems to be invisibe to combine turrets and ant lions(you can see that on 1 of the security cameras in nova prospekt)

    And he is a pirate(I'll show you the screenshot of him in a boat with a crow on his shoulder later) :P
  • deicistdeicist Manchester, UK
    edited January 2005
    ^Ben wrote:
    No, it seems that GMAN acts as some kind of broker for Gordon, it seems that the gman deals in talents of people(what would a guy who can seemingly manipulate time do with material possesions) And it does seem that he has some kind of contact with other people in the HL world.

    How do you know he gets paid in material possessions? And where is it explicitly stated that the Gman acts as Gordons broker? from what I remember, there are several references to Gordon being a man of unique talents, Gordon being utilised in the right place / time etc.... but nothing that would definifitively state what the Gmans relationship is with Gordon.
    He speaks to Odessa and "maybe" gives him the info that a gunship is on the way plus a rocket launcher?

    where's this? Sorry, not being awkward now, really don't remember this bit from the game.
    And the characters were all expecting Gordon, so they must of been notified of his arrival by something(probably the GMAN)

    they weren't expecting Gordon at all, after Barney meets you in the station and drags you off to the interrogation room one of the first things he says to the doctor is 'look who I found wandering round', the doctor then says (with a great deal of suprise) 'I don't believe it', if he was expecting Gordon why was he so suprised? My interpretation of the first scene is that Gordon appeared completely unexpectedly, it's only after he makes contact with Barney that people, when you meet them, have been expecting him.
    Also he seems to be invisibe to combine turrets and ant lions(you can see that on 1 of the security cameras in nova prospekt)

    And? how does that prove he's one thing or the other?
    And he is a pirate(I'll show you the screenshot of him in a boat with a crow on his shoulder later) :P

    that's because pirates kick ass, no matter where / when you're from :D
  • edited January 2005
    How do you know he gets paid in material possessions? And where is it explicitly stated that the Gman acts as Gordons broker? from what I remember, there are several references to Gordon being a man of unique talents, Gordon being utilised in the right place / time etc.... but nothing that would definifitively state what the Gmans relationship is with Gordon.

    G-Man at end of game.

    "I've recived some intresting offers for your services, normally I would'nt contemplate them, but theese are extraordinary times"
    where's this? Sorry, not being awkward now, really don't remember this bit from the game.

    In a coast level you can look through a pair of binoculars at the little village you fight the gunship at, and you see them speaking on the roof.

    they weren't expecting Gordon at all, after Barney meets you in the station and drags you off to the interrogation room one of the first things he says to the doctor is 'look who I found wandering round', the doctor then says (with a great deal of suprise) 'I don't believe it', if he was expecting Gordon why was he so suprised? My interpretation of the first scene is that Gordon appeared completely unexpectedly, it's only after he makes contact with Barney that people, when you meet them, have been expecting him.

    I'm loading up the game to get the wording right here.

    Kleiner - Gordon Freeman but I expected more warning?
    Barney - You and me both.

    Im sure there where some other references to him being expected but that sentence paticulary jump out at me and suggest they where told of his arrival, because let's face it if I was presumed dead and suddenly turned up after 10 years without aging I would expect a bit more of a reaction ;)

    And? how does that prove he's one thing or the other?

    Does not prove anything, just something to ponder if he can't be seen by ant lions or turrets has gotta mean something ;)

    Yar! Swab the deck!
  • deicistdeicist Manchester, UK
    edited January 2005
    ^Ben wrote:
    G-Man at end of game.
    "I've recived some intresting offers for your services, normally I would'nt contemplate them, but theese are extraordinary times"

    ah ha, but why would he not usually contemplate offers for Gordons services if he's some kind of broker as you suggest? Surely he'd always at least contemplate offers?

    In a coast level you can look through a pair of binoculars at the little village you fight the gunship at, and you see them speaking on the roof.

    Didn't know that, fair enough
    I'm loading up the game to get the wording right here.

    Kleiner - Gordon Freeman but I expected more warning?
    Barney - You and me both.

    Im sure there where some other references to him being expected but that sentence paticulary jump out at me and suggest they where told of his arrival, because let's face it if I was presumed dead and suddenly turned up after 10 years without aging I would expect a bit more of a reaction ;)

    Hmmm..... I dunno, I still don't think the G-man has anything to do with Gordon being expected, the characters you meet early in the game seem to exhibit more suprise at seeing Gordon than I'd expect if they were anticipating his arrival.


    Anyway, Valve have kept the storyline deliberatly vague precisely so you can come up with your own interpretations and have exactly this kind of conversation.

    I still reckon he's from the future though.
  • edited January 2005
    Atleast your not pulling the Gman is Gordon theory :P
  • deicistdeicist Manchester, UK
    edited January 2005
    Nah, I wouldn't buy that.....

    now G-man as Gordons great great great great grandson, that's my kinda theory :D
  • Ghaleon4Ghaleon4 South Oklahoma
    edited January 2005
    Okay, for anyone that needs it, I'll sum everything up that is known, including things that can easily be considered fact through deduction...and don't ask me exactly WHERE, or WHEN I heard any of these things, because although I have a very good memory for the things I've heard, I have always had a problem with exact context. I will try to make very clear between what is fact, and what is opinion/speculation...

    FACTS:
    Gordon Freeman was a materials handler at the Black Mesa Testing Facility.
    They were working on transportation technology using a material that (to us gamers) came from an unknown location/place in the universe? (I think we got it from the same place the G-Man hails from...'cuz I think he started this whole mess to begin with...top to bottom)
    The administrator of the facility at the time, Dr. Breen, for reasons specifically unknown was indeed pushing the scientific community, and it's equipment to it's very limits. (Interesting that on several occassions the Scientists are seen talking/arguing with the G-man, but it is not known if the G-Man has ever talked directly to the administrator, although I think it would be safe to assume that he has. It is also interesting to note that even before the resonance cascade scenario takes place, the Xen inhabitants have already been taken over, and assimilated by the Combine race). Gordon shows up late for work on the fateful day, and heads straight to the materials handling lab to begin the PLANNED experiment with the newly acquired mystery material. On the way there, the scientists are already complaining that the equipment they're using was never designed for the experiements that are taking place, especially the one that's ABOUT to take place. So...Gordon goes into the test chamber, places the material into the neat little beams, and BOOM! A Resonance Cascade that opens a portal to Xen...great...
    This is a very interesting thing that all this happens with the G-man around...just as the Combine have finished taking control of Xen...and it's also interesting how the (enslaved) Xen inhabitants were prepared to invade Earth as SOON as the portal had been opened...Very strange indeed. Another interesting coincidence? The Marines sure did get there pretty quick to try to clean the situation up, didn't they? Almost like they were on standby? Hmmm...
    Eventually, Freeman faces the Nihilanth...which seems to control the Xen race telepathically. This can be backed up with the fact that the Vortigaunts always speak in a communal way. (WE think this, WE feel that, etc, etc...)
    The Combine gain control of any given species' ruler, and then conquer through him/her/it. When the Nihilanth was destroyed, so was the transversally telepathic control that the combine had on the Xen inhabitants THROUGH the Nihilanth. Hence, Xen was freed. But, the portal was still open, and the Combine could now find Earth. For the inevitability of what would come to pass, the G-Man would enlist Gordon Freeman, simply because well...he defeated the Combine once before, didn't he? (Without realizing it at the time, that he was fighting the Combine, not Xen of course).
    (Dr. Breen from the beginning may, or may not have intentionally been assisting the Combine with reaching Earth before the experiment. He may have been a victim of circumstance in bringing the Combine to our humble abode. But...one thing is for CERTAIN: He is an oppurtunistic peice of crap. He may not have been in on it from the beginning, but he didn't waste time in selling out humanity to save his own butt once the Combine got here. Hence the newspaper clippings you can see pasted everywhere in City 17 regarding the 7 hour war.)
    The 7 hour war is just that. When the Combine invaded, the administrator somehow brokered a deal with them, and as a result, enslaved humanity, so that the combine could mine the resources off our planet. (We do not know where the G-man fits into all this. He does answer to someone, or something. He has "employers". Gordon is definitely being USED by a higher power...but we know not if they are of good, or ill, or even...trivial intent. This could all just be a game. A cosmic commune of apathetic galactic gamblers betting on who will win the fight: Humans Vs. Combine...while the G-Man is the "Don King" of humanity, lol. He's the fight manager! Maybe...)

    Hopefully, I've made it clear as to why the vortigaunts are friendly now. They always were...except for the fact that they had been enslaved during HL1.

    The Combine soldiers, from what I can tell are 100% human. Dr. Breen, over the intercom at one point, is chastizing the Civil Protection forces saying something along the lines of "How can you not catch this one man? blah blah, I've gone to all this trouble to convince our benefactors that you are the best humanity has to offer, blah blah, and now you're proving me to be a liar, and we're all in deep crap because you can't catch this one stupid scientist!". Not an exact quote, but man, that was a FUNNY monologue. So, they're DEFINITELY human. I'm just not sure if they're lobotomized, or just a bunch of free-willed sell-outs like Dr. Breen.

    I do question if the Headcrabs are actually from Xen, or if they're a tool of the Combine. I lean towards thinking that they're actually from Xen, because I've never seen a Xen inhabitant attacked by one. Therefore, I believe the Combine just "picked them up" from Xen, and now use them as zone-clearing weapons.

    wow...I lost track of where I was going...but I hope this answers some questions, and maybe even introduces some new ones.
  • deicistdeicist Manchester, UK
    edited January 2005
    Ghaleon4 wrote:
    I lean towards thinking that they're actually from Xen, because I've never seen a Xen inhabitant attacked by one.

    how do they reproduce on Xen? I'm assuming the headhumping of the headcrabs has some kind of reproductive intent....although I could be wrong....if they never 'attack' xen inhabitants what did they do before xen & earth where linked via portals?
  • Ghaleon4Ghaleon4 South Oklahoma
    edited January 2005
    That's a very good question...I'll give all the information I know, and maybe someone can speculate further for me:

    The Gonarch produces headcrabs...the headcrabs then "couple" with another being. (Highly original, eh? hehe)
    Perhaps the Gonarch is not from Xen?
  • RWBRWB Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    This is just crazy....

    YOU'RE ALL CRAZY!!!

    Keep it up, I'm enjoying all this... :thumbsup:
  • edited January 2005
    The gonarch produces headcrabs, the headcrabs head hump onto something(dosent matter what it is)

    Then they evolve and turn into gonarchs.

    But most of them get killed as you can tell, I think the xen creatures know that they have to kill the headcrabs to stop them turning into gonarchs.

    Because the antlions kill zombies and they are both apparently from xen.
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited January 2005
    You lost me on the last bit.
  • edited February 2005
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  • GHoosdumGHoosdum Icrontian
    edited February 2005
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