There's still life in the NF2 boards!

TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
edited February 2005 in Hardware
My A64 board is dead so i decided to dust off the old Lanparty here which is total stock. Before, 2X512 haven't yielded anymore than 230 with cpc on, but with these Platinum 3700, things are a little different. 250 fsb is pretty common, but not with 2X512 as far as i know. 2.7 volts on the memory.
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  • lsevaldlsevald Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Nice :)

    2.5-3-3-x?
  • edcentricedcentric near Milwaukee, Wisconsin Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    That'll fold.
    Good cooking. I am thinking that a Lanparty mobo is in my future.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Yes. Strange thing sandra shows over 90% efficiency at those timings.
  • fatcatfatcat Mizzou Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    mack..thats 250 with cpc on right?

    im using a bios on nf7-s that has cpc on, but i do have the option to have it off. do you think i will get higher fsb with cpc off or it is not worth it using pc3200 ram?
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited January 2005
    What's CPC?
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Mack that's great! It's also ngreat to see that NF2 still has some mileage left to go. I say bah to those who think socket A is a dead horse. :thumbsup:
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    CPC is the equalivent of 1T or 2T. CPC on=1T basically. This is with CPC on. I'll see in a day or 2 how high this REALLY can go. So far, every game is stable and that's including Farcry, Doom 3, UT 2004 and Half-Life 2.
    What this also means and the biggest point is that TCCD memory's is a great buy even if you have NF2. When you upgrade to S939, you know the memory will do good in both at low vdimm. Since i have only tested the OCZ one's, i can't tell for sure of the SPD programming from the other manufacturers. Even if they perform well on A64 doesn't mean they will perform as great on NF2.

    Fatcat, always try to use CPC on if you can. It's tough on 2X512 dimms though.
  • fatcatfatcat Mizzou Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    yea...thats why i was seeing if cpc off might be an option since im running 2x512. i will see what the max fsb i can hit with this pc3200 tho...so far so good
  • Ghaleon4Ghaleon4 South Oklahoma
    edited January 2005
    I'm SERIOUSLY needing to go from 512, to 1Gig of memory...
    I've got a system very similar to yours (correct me if I'm missing something)

    My system:

    Windows XP
    Athlon XP 1700 OC'd @ 2.1Ghz
    2x256Megs PC2100 DDR total 512Megs @ 160FSB (TwinBank Memory Architecture)
    Asus A7N8X 2.0 Nforce 2 Chipset Motherboard
    Nvidia GeForceFX 5900 Ultra /w 256Megs
    SoundBlaster Audigy 1 /w hacked Audigy 2 drivers
    Western Digital 7200RPM SATA 30Gig Caviar HDD
    LiteOn 24x12x32 CDRW
    Toshiba 8x DVD-ROM

    Would you suggest this memory for *MY* system?
    I checked the price on it ($288 NewEgg) , and JEEBUS, it's expensive! That's why I ask...do I REALLY need to spend that kind of money?? (The MAIN motivators for getting more system memory is BattleField: Desert Combat, DoomIII, and HL2)
    And yes...I'm overclocking my new memory whatever it is.

    Please...volunteer MUCHO information. I'll read it. None of this "Oh, just buy xyz ram, 'cuz it's nifty" stuff...not good enough.
    Basically, here's what I'm thinking: PC2100 is not going to overclock as well as I'd like. But...I don't want to spend more money than I have to on RAM that'll overclock more than my processor could handle anyways...I need to find that perfect medium.
    (Is this what they call "highjacking" a thread? lol)
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    You would benefit greatly with this ram. Just by running it at 200 fsb instead of 160 now you will se a great improvement. Off course, just about any memory can do 200 fsb these days, but sometimes you put an extra dollar into superb service and that's what i have done with 3 pairs of OCZ now. If you ever have problems with a stick from OCZ, they'll swap it in a heartbeat. They even cross-ship you a new set. I'm not sure there are that many other manufacturers that do that.

    The other thing is an upgrade path. I'm sure you will get a new cpu and mainboard pretty soon and this memory will follow and won't be obsolete in a near future.

    DOOM 3 almost demand 1 gig, while HL2 runs great with 512. Try to have photoshop, a few IE windows and folding a tinker at the same time with 512mb of ram...phew. That harddrive will work constantly and give you massive load times in any application unless you run a memory refresher all the time, which btw isn't always stable i have discovered.
  • Ghaleon4Ghaleon4 South Oklahoma
    edited January 2005
    Holy moley...
    Heh...you got any used RAM you'd like to get rid of?? lol

    Okay, okay...do you know of any monetarily competitive alternatives to pursue on my path to the realm of one gig-dom? lol

    And...would I truly benefit from having the highest PCXXxxDDR out there? (Replace X's with your number of choice)
    What about some good ol' PC3200? (Seems to be right before the "price jump" compared to other types of DDR) If I DID go that route, which chips/manufacturer/dealer should I get it from? Or...would I REALLY REALLY kick myself for not getting the best of the best...dangit. this sucks, lol.
    SOMEBODY JUST TELL ME WHAT TO BUY, AND SAY IT'LL BE OKAY TO MAKE ME FEEL BETTER! hehe

    *edit*
    Jeez, has the price of memory sky-rocketed recently, or have I just been living under a rock?? The best price I could find on some Kingston HyperX PC2700 512meg single stick was $100...I was hoping to spend about $150-175 max! I think I missed something somewhere...
    Also...what is the difference between the 64Megx64 configuration, and the 64megx72 configuration???
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Well, the ram prices have been pretty steady at least 6 months i think. If anything, i think it will go up soon. You won't get better performance because of the ram is 4200 or 3200 basically. OCZ PC3200 EL Platinum Rev 2 is the same chips as the mentioned PC3700. The PC 3700 is speed-binned to make Cas 2 much higher and have a different programmed SPD. Those 3200 is a little cheaper i think and would suit you well.
  • Ghaleon4Ghaleon4 South Oklahoma
    edited January 2005
    I guess I'll just order one stick of that OCX 3200 at a time...
    Now here's ANOTHER question, lol:
    When I get my new (single) stick of 512 PC3200, should I just leave it out until I get the 2nd stick, or go ahead, and replace my two sticks of 256 PC2100? Basically...the ammount of RAM would be the same, but would the performance? With two sticks, I've got the NForce working twice as hard for me...but with that one new stick, I could overclock it MUCH more...so...which would you guess is the best? Oh, I DO ask the tough questions, don't I? lol
    Oh, and what is the difference between the 64megX64, and 64megX72 configurations I've seen...er...what do those numbers mean?
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Ghaleon4 wrote:
    I guess I'll just order one stick of that OCX 3200 at a time...
    Now here's ANOTHER question, lol:
    When I get my new (single) stick of 512 PC3200, should I just leave it out until I get the 2nd stick, or go ahead, and replace my two sticks of 256 PC2100? Basically...the ammount of RAM would be the same, but would the performance? With two sticks, I've got the NForce working twice as hard for me...but with that one new stick, I could overclock it MUCH more...so...which would you guess is the best? Oh, I DO ask the tough questions, don't I? lol
    Oh, and what is the difference between the 64megX64, and 64megX72 configurations I've seen...er...what do those numbers mean?
    I wish I had a dollar for every time myself or someone else got one stick of the current hot ram with the intention of getting another later to find that it is no longer available!!! :shakehead I would recomend getting what Mac suggested or if cash is really that tight that this 1 Gig pair of Patriot PC3200 for $220 that is rated @ 2-2-2-5 @200fsb will work quite well too but not to the extent of the OCZ (I'm thinking in terms of future system upgrades). When purchasing system components for a system that will be O/C'd memory is the last place to try to save a buck or two!!!

    BTW
    Rid yourself of all PC2100 ram and the thoughts of ever getting anymore now as it wis on its way to being a dead horse. Also, those numbers are just the arrangement of the modules and in the case of 512 sticks are alll pretty much the same.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    You'll only get single channel which isn't that bad as many think it is. At 3200 and 2,2,2,5 timings compared to what you have now at 160 fsb, you'll se a nice improvement i think. But not as much as you might hope for.
  • Ghaleon4Ghaleon4 South Oklahoma
    edited January 2005
    Oooh, you got me on that one.
    I guess I'll just save the money the old fashioned way...by Wh0ring myself out!!!! HAHA! No? Fine.
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Ghaleon4 wrote:
    Oooh, you got me on that one.
    I guess I'll just save the money the old fashioned way...by Wh0ring myself out!!!! HAHA! No? Fine.
    Oh noes!

    Hee-WHore Hee-WHOre

    :D;D
  • fatcatfatcat Mizzou Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    well...looks like i hit the limit with cpc on on my value pc3200...now to play with cpc off :thumbsup:
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Not bad at all fatcat, not bad. Do you have a digi cam so you can take a closeup of the chips on that valueram?
  • Ghaleon4Ghaleon4 South Oklahoma
    edited January 2005
    Oh noes!
    Hee-WHore Hee-WHOre

    ROFLMAO...


    Okay, so...what is CPC again?
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Look up a few posts ;)
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited January 2005
    http://www.short-media.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234273&postcount=8
  • fatcatfatcat Mizzou Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Mackanz wrote:
    Not bad at all fatcat, not bad. Do you have a digi cam so you can take a closeup of the chips on that valueram?

    nope, no digi-cam. would my scanner work? :bawling:
    lemme see if i can find a pic online or not...
    http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-207-014-01.JPG/20-207-014-02.JPG
    2 of these
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Do they look exactly like that or are there 2 dots on the actual chips?
  • fatcatfatcat Mizzou Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    here's a pic of the ram. i dont see 2 dots on the chips, but i might not know what you mean by that. according to cpu-z the spd on the dimms are 2.5-4-4-8, which doesnt sound to great either. lemme know if you got any ideas?
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    It's not the chips i hoped it would be since they are from week 3 of 2004. Valueram from 0443 and newer have been made on the Winbond UTT chips which is a new BH5 era of some sort. Needs massive vdimm though. You will find those chips on the new OCZ VX ram. Crazy speed at super-tight timings. 280 at 2,2,2,5 with dual 512 isn't impossible anymore. The latency benchmarks at that speed are insane. Wicked stuff.

    I'll see if i can get my hands on a pair soon. Fry's bought the whole first batch though.
  • fatcatfatcat Mizzou Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    so far so good with CPC off...max was 231FSB with CPC on.
    1.7vcore, 2.7vdimm,1.6chipset,1.5agp kreton pc3200 c2.5
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Nice clock Fatcat!

    CPC on at 230 beats CPC off at 240 any given sunday though. You might even try to get some 5,3,2, cas 2,5 timings at 210 as well. Better gameperformance even if it's a lower fsb.
  • fatcatfatcat Mizzou Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Mack, I could hit 215 at 11-3-3-2.5 all day long, sisoft only showed ~3100 on mem tho...with 240 at 11-4-4-3.0 im hitting ~3400 on sisoft...not sure why tho
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    thats sandra for ya =/

    DL a proggy called Everest. It checks the latenty and bandwith much better and more reliable.
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