Windows Restarting and Blue Screen

edited February 2005 in Hardware
Hey everyone!

Lately i've been having numerous problems with my computer. It all started when my computer would just blank out randomly, (and by "blanking out" i mean that my computer screen goes black and the power button turns orange, and the only way for me to get it back is to restart my computer). It was an annoyance, but i decided that i could live with it.

Just recently, my computer started to restart itself over and over after the windows log on screen. I read about this problem and took down the auto-reboot so that i could see the BSOD. The BSOD said something about the windrvr.sys file, and told me i should uninstall any new hardware or any software that i recently just installed. The only things that i recently installed was Norton Systemworks 2005, which i hope isn't the problem. It also said that i shuld try disabling caching and shadowing :confused: from my BIOS, but i didnt find any of those last time i checked.

Could these problems have anything to do with each other? Is my computer dying? I've only had for about a little over a year, (I made it during the summer of 2003). Here are some of my specs.

Windows XP Pro
2.8c Pentium Processor
512 RAM
865PERLL Motherboard
ATI 9700Pro Graphics Card

..and i think thats about all the important stuff. Anyway...i hope anyone could help me out. It would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance..

-krazkid5

Comments

  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited January 2005
    I've seen some systems lock up when they (attempt to) hibernate. If you can boot up in Safe Mode try going into Control Panel>>Power Options and set everything to "always on". You might also check your power management settings in the bios and make sure that everything is "always on" there, too.

    If this just started after you installed Norton, then that would seem to be the likely culprit. See if you can uninstall it (once again, in Safe Mode, if need be).

    I'd run memtest-86, too, just to make sure your memory isn't crapping out on you. It's available in the download section.

    Another thing worth checking is your power supply. What brand and wattage do you have? In addition to that, you might want to check all your connections and reseat all your cards and memory modules.

    Good Luck! :wave:
  • edited January 2005
    Hey thanks for the quick reply! I'll be sure to try those things...

    but a quick note..i'm not having a hard time starting up my comp and going into windows or anything...its just that on the occasion when that BSOD comes up, i just have to F8 when i restart and just go back to the last good configuration and things are ok for a lil while. Then, my computer just starts blacking out again and i have the same problem.

    ...Do you know what the error about the windrvr.sys file is all about?

    Another thing is..how do i reseat all my cards? i'm thinkin i just take everything apart and put it all back together again. When i do that i'll let you know what i do to try and fix this annoyance. thanks again
  • edcentricedcentric near Milwaukee, Wisconsin Icrontian
    edited January 2005
    Don't take it apart, just wiggle and push to make sure that things are seated.

    You are running anti-virus and anti-spyware, aren't you?

    You might want to run some diagnostics. I would start with hard drive fitness tests and then memtest.
    How old is the box? You might want to replace the CMOS battery too.
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited January 2005
    krazkid5 wrote:
    ...Do you know what the error about the windrvr.sys file is all about?...
    Every reference I could find to that shows that it is a tool used by software engineers in authoring programs to make use of hardware.
    The device driver application produced with WinDriver (YourApp.EXE) accesses your hardware through the WinDriver kernel agent (windrvr6.sys/vxd/o or windrvr.sys/vxd/o - depending on the operating system and WinDriver version that you are using), using the standard WinDriver functions.
    The attached picture gives some idea as to how windriver works with both hardware and software applications.
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    If you feel comfortable doing a semi-major attempt at fixing the problem, I would try this:

    1) Find all the current drivers for every bit of hardware in your computer and burn them to a CD or DVD.

    2) Set a restore point in case things go awry.

    3) Boot up in Safe Mode and uninstall every piece of hardware you can possibly remove from Device Manager.

    4) Reboot, cross your fingers, and pray to the God of your choice. :respect:

    If you're lucky, Windows will detect all of your hardware and automatically reinstall it for you. If not, you'll be glad you have the disc(s) you made in Step 1.

    When you do this it gives Windows a second chance at setting things up right. Often there are two pieces of hardware whose drivers mistakenly try to use the same memory range at the same time, resulting in the infamous BSOD.

    If this doesn't work then things get a little trickier. The next time you get the BSOD try to get all the information listed and post it here. It may give use a clue as to what's causing your problem.

    Did you try running memtest? If your memory has gone dodgy then the only answer is to replace the faulty module(s). It would be wise to eliminate that as a possible cause of your problem before doing anything else. :thumbsup:
  • edited January 2005
    So i tried MemTest...and it got stuck at 1%...

    I thought it might be taking long because the test itself is long, so i tried it on my roommates computer and it wasn't taking long as mine did. Hopefully this might be the problem...actually not hopefully cuz that will mean something's wrong with my memory :( .

    Any ideas? thanks

    **** Update ****

    never mind...i disabled the USB Legacy support and its running now....im just waiting for test results.
  • edited January 2005
    K after one pass...it didn't give any errors...what should i do now?

    the test is running again...im assuming its just going to loop until i stop it.
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited January 2005
    If it made it through a full pass of the test it's a good sign.

    Did you try uninstalling, then reinstalling Norton? I believe you said your troubles began right after you installed that.

    I would look for an updated driver for your video card and network card. Those are the two most likely culprits for hosing most computers.

    If none of that works, I'd try the four-step thing I outlined a couple of posts back.

    It may be a pain in the neck right now, but the more possible causes we eliminate the more we can narrow in on the root of the problem. As Sherlock Holmes said "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".

    Good luck! :)
  • edited February 2005
    So anyway...i was just hoping it would go away...but i guess its still happening. I managed to get down what my BSOD said. Here it is:

    A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer.

    The problem seems to be caused by the following file: windrvr.sys

    PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

    If this is the first time you've seen this Stop error screen, restart your computer. If this screen appears again, follow these steps:

    Check to make sure any new hardware or software is properly installed. If this is a new installation, ask your hardware of software manufacturer for any Windows updates you might need.

    If problems continue, disable or remove any newly installed hardware of software. Disable BIOS memory options such as caching or shadowing. If you need to use Safe Mode to remove or disable components, restart your computer, press F8 to select Advanced Startup Options, and then select Safe Mode.

    Technical information:

    *** STOP: 0x00000050 (0x80c96820, 0x00000000, 0xEC439185, 0x00000000)


    *** windrvr.sys - Address EC439185 base at EC42A000, DateStamp 3b8e41d0

    Deginning dump of physical memory
    Physical memory dump complete.
    Contact your system administrator or technical support group for further assistance.



    So anyway...this goes away after i use F8 and restore previous settings, but it comes back whenever my comp goes to the black screen. Any ideas? Thanks

    -krazkid5
  • GrayFoxGrayFox /dev/urandom Member
    edited February 2005
    Ive seen that error a few times. Its usealy caused by bad ram. But since u ran memtest u can rule that out. I would try to disable page file ram on the computer. See if that fixes ur problem.
  • edited February 2005
    I was reading up on disabling page file ram, and it said they dont recommend disabling it if you have under 1 gig of ram. i only have 512. Should i still go ahead and to it? i'm gonna try it anyway...but if someone says otherwise, i can put it back to how it was. thanks!
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited February 2005
    It might be worth a shot, but I honestly doubt it will work. Even if it does, it's merely an indication that something else is wrong - and you already know that.

    Since your problem seems to be video related, why not try a different driver for your video card? If you have another video card you can stick in there I think that would be worth having a go at, too.

    Does anyone know of a program to test Video ram?
  • edited February 2005
    So i tried changing my settings and after the first restart, i got the same BSOD. I restored previous system settings, and changed it again. Rebooted, and didnt get the BSOD...(probably just cuz i restored).

    I tried updating my drivers for my video card the other day, and my computer seemed REALLY laggy...like whenever i moved my windows on my desktop, it would leave images of it "smudging". Im still lost...please help. Thanks!
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited February 2005
    profdlp wrote:
    ...If you have another video card you can stick in there I think that would be worth having a go at, too...
    Try it. :D

    Make sure you clean the old drivers out completely. What brand and model is your card?
  • edited February 2005
    i have an ATI Radeon 9700 pro...i just updated the drivers, since i dont have an old card with me cuz i'm at my apt down in so cal. Its really laggy again, and it takes a while for the screen to update the picture, like when scrolling down a page. Should i uninstall the driver completely, and THEN run the setup that i dled from ATI?

    --edit--

    i just came across this driver when i searched my problem with the laggy driver.
    http://www.bebits.com/talkback/2938?page=10
    should i try using this driver?
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited February 2005
    krazkid5 wrote:
    ...Should i uninstall the driver completely, and THEN run the setup that i dled from ATI?
    Use DH Driver Cleaner to completely remove the old driver. If there is a newer driver than the one you've been using I'd try that. If not, I'd give a slightly older driver a try.
    i just came across this driver when i searched my problem with the laggy driver.
    http://www.bebits.com/talkback/2938?page=10
    should i try using this driver?
    Not unless you're running BeOS. ;)
  • edited February 2005
    ok well i tried troubleshooting my driver problem, and then i came across something that told me to put my hardware acceleration to None. I did it, and it doesnt lag anymore...is this a bad thing?
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited February 2005
    W/O Hardware Acceleration you are basically crippling the card. This is handy for troubleshooting purposes, but is not a solution to your problem. It is the equivalent of having your car shimmy at high speeds. Sure, it doesn't happen at 25MPH, but that ain't gonna get you on the freeway.

    Try the Driver Cleaner and a different driver from the one you are using.

    Please? ;D
  • edited February 2005
    So here's the update..

    I uninstalled the drivers with Driver Cleaner, and tried installing the slightly older version of the driver for my video card. After the installation file put all the necessary files, it asked me to reboot to complete the installation, so i did. After windows started up, i got the BSOD again. So in my head i'm like great........... :confused:

    So i restored my settings after another reboot, and then tried to install again. After it asked me to reboot again, i rebooted...windows started up...then BSOD after the logon screen AGAIN. So i think in my head...maybe third times the charm? But NO! I restart, restore, and a BSOD! Even if i restored i got a BSOD. i almost pissed my pants...so i start up in safe mode and then restore to a setting that my comp had a couple of days ago...and it works again. ARGHHHH im getting so frustrated. This kinda led me to believe that it might be my graphics card...am i correct? Thanks for your help...i really appreciate it.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited February 2005
    Most likely timings settings got messed up, older ones worked. Could be MONITOR and\or graphics card, yes, but could be EITHER or BOTH. Unfortunately, with THAT one, could also be RAM going south. Test RAM also, please (MAIN RAM, memtest86 run time also, methinks), to rule out one majorly possible BSOD cause.
  • edited February 2005
    Hi,
    The Problem that I see is the Norton,it installs drivers just like a harware device,Mine conflicted with my Sil Raid driver,your could be conflicting with anything,norton says that they fixed the problem and by running live update that should fix the problem,So I f8 and load last know good configuration then ran live update from the programs menu,i attempted it 3 times and finally used the the norton for a coaster and got PC-CIllin,I hope this helps......
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