Double Layer DVD burning problems

sforzasforza SPAIN
edited February 2005 in Internet & Media
I think this is a digital media problem but if you think it fits better on storage, feel free to move this thread.

I have a NEC 3500AG DVD burner. I'm trying to get a home movie authored with Adobe Premiere and TMPGEnc DVD Author on a DL DVD. I've tried everything I know and more I've just learned in the last couple of days, and result is the same: DL DVD+R's don't work on home dvd players.

I'm now re-writing my problem is not needed, here are explanations over club.cdfreaks.com and wrigleyvideo.com

Has anyone here tried double layer dvd burning yet?

I asked there before because I thought they are more specific forums but even there no one can answer why discs are not working.

Any input is apreciated.

thanks

Comments

  • maximusbadmaximusbad The Burg
    edited February 2005
    Well first of all if i'm not mistaken most dvd players use the DVD-R format, unless you have one of the newer models that says it can read all formats.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited February 2005
    Might I suggest you go to the store and start testing DVD units? Phillips isn't known for having very adaptive players. I'm not saying that it's a solution to your problem, but it's worth investigating.
  • tcithtcith Sydney, Australia Member
    edited February 2005
    http://www.dvdrhelp.com has an excellent searchable database of DVD players, their features and if any "hacks" are available to make them region free etc....

    P.S I use Dual Layer DVD's on a regular basis for both Data and Video with no issues
  • sforzasforza SPAIN
    edited February 2005
    Thrax wrote:
    Might I suggest you go to the store and start testing DVD units? Phillips isn't known for having very adaptive players. I'm not saying that it's a solution to your problem, but it's worth investigating.

    I don't know if phillips are adaptative or not, but at this time I've tried to play my movie on at least 5 home dvd players more and worked on none. But worked on all the computer DVDs of my friends. So I don't think is not a phillips issue, as I initially suspected, it's more like a problem authoring.

    it's not a bad idea to go to the store and start trying... I could review lots of new players hehe now I have just to find a store kind enough to let me do so...

    I would like to test it on a home DVD recorder too.
  • sforzasforza SPAIN
    edited February 2005
    tcith wrote:
    http://www.dvdrhelp.com has an excellent searchable database of DVD players, their features and if any "hacks" are available to make them region free etc....

    P.S I use Dual Layer DVD's on a regular basis for both Data and Video with no issues

    what program are you using?

    did you ever tried to author a video DVD? or always backup already existing movies?
  • sforzasforza SPAIN
    edited February 2005
    I have a last good idea: almost every people reporting successful DL burns used it to backup already existing DVD movies or data (XBOX and PS2) from what I have read here and on other forums. So, supossing they used DVD decrypter as that being the easiest and most reliable software to do backups, they were burning DL media using an .ISO and a .MDS files as source.

    BUT that's not what I'm doing, because I'm creating my own DL discs from my own video, using TMPGEnc DVD Author. At the last step of DVD Author, I choose to create an ISO image. So I get an ISO file. Only. No .MDS at all. Then I burn that .ISO with DVD Decrypter. That's is the only difference I can find between those reporting success and me.

    So: what's the information being stored on a .MDS file? it's about layer break maybe?

    thanks.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited February 2005
    I've never had a successful burn with DVD Decrypter.

    I've always used TMPGEnc DVD to author, dumped the properly-containered (VOB/IFO/BUP) files to disc <i>without</i> having TMPG make an iso and used Nero to burn.
  • sforzasforza SPAIN
    edited February 2005
    Thrax wrote:
    I've never had a successful burn with DVD Decrypter.

    Does that apply to DL discs or every kind of DVD+R??

    I do have had successful burns with DVD Decrypter, but only single layer.
    Thrax wrote:
    I've always used TMPGEnc DVD to author, dumped the properly-containered (VOB/IFO/BUP) files to disc <i>without</i> having TMPG make an iso and used Nero to burn.

    That's another option because Nero allows bitsetting the same as DVD Decrypter does. But because of that being the same, is it worth it? It's 9€ each try... DL media is pretty expensive.

    BTW I found today on cdfreaks.com that at least NEC 3500A (wich I own) bitsetting is not needed for DL media (and only for DL) because it's set as DVD-ROM by default. So there is no need to use a program that allows changing bitsetting.

    So we can conclude compatibility problems with DL media are not bitsetting related (as I suspected it could be causing the problems at least partially), but layer break only.

    It's better Nero than TMPG at indexing where the break is, so the dvd reader can know it??

    I would be very glad to hear you have had successful DL burns with Nero, Thrax!
  • tcithtcith Sydney, Australia Member
    edited February 2005
    sforza wrote:
    what program are you using?

    did you ever tried to author a video DVD? or always backup already existing movies?

    Movie backups I use ANYDVD in my taskbar (never used decrypter) and then just straight copy them using nero -

    If I want to strip any stuff out of them I use DVD shrink as I like the menu it gives you to take out other language streams etc.

    I use Nero to authour my own DVD's allow it to convert an AVI's or other non standard streams into the right format
  • sforzasforza SPAIN
    edited February 2005
    Thanks for your input.

    Lots of good info here:
    http://forum.doom9.org/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1222278&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

    The solution is setting up properly the layer break. With DVD Decrypter nor DVD Author this is not properly done. Nero does this right, it seems.

    I'll read about it tomorrow but I believe that link has the key to my problems.

    Now it's late here overseas for me, I know not for you the USA guys :) I'm going to bed.

    good night.
  • tcithtcith Sydney, Australia Member
    edited February 2005
    sforza wrote:
    Thanks for your input.

    Now it's late here overseas for me, I know not for you the USA guys :) I'm going to bed.

    good night.

    Hey don;t forget about us Aussies ;D
  • sforzasforza SPAIN
    edited February 2005
    I'm replying to report a successful double layer burning :cool:

    What I did: edited in Premiere Pro 1.5, created menu in Encore 1.5 (build 1.5.0.41656 if matters). Imported DV files from Premiere and let Encore do automatic transcode. Built DVD Image to hdd.

    First step of building the DVD image is transcoding. If you have done several tries, transcoding keeps availiable for the next buildings. Just re-does the menus, but not recompresses files.

    After transcoding, when building, it asks where to place the layer break and offers a range of minutes (from xxxx to xxxx) from a certain file. The bigger the amount of free mbytes availiable on the disc the bigger range of minutes it will offer you. In my project automatic transcoding fitted quite well and just allowed me to choose in a 4 minutes range, because there was just 260mb of free space. Note this range of minutes doesn't mean total minutes of running the DVD, including the ones placed before, but minutes of running THAT file. So you can play that file separately on any player and see what minute and second fits better so the layer break is less noticeable.

    Then I burnt the .IMG file with DVD Decrypter 3.5.2.0 IsoMode/Write with Bitsetting to DVD-ROM and using verbatim DVD+R DL 2.4x certified media. Burnt at 2.4x (took 47minutes) despite DVD Decrypter say it would support 4x too.

    Here is the media info
    Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R-DL:MKM-001-000]
    Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R DL] - [DVD-ROM]
    Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Kagaku Media]
    Manufacturer ID : [MKM]
    Media Type ID : [001]
    Product Revision : [Not Specified]
    Blank Disc Capacity : [4,173,824 Sectors = 8,152.0MB = 7.96GB (8.55GB)]
    Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x]
    [ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]

    This disc plays great and the layer break takes very little, say 1/2sec, on my Dalton DVX500 settop player (Ascomtec). I'll test on other players as soon as I can, but I would bet it'll play on almost every player.

    (this is a copy-paste from my original thread at wrigleyvideo.com)

    Hope this helps if you are authoring your own DVD any time.
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