Linux is cool and all.. but

GobblesGobbles Ventura California
edited February 2005 in Science & Tech
Why cant I find a simple howto on logging into a windows domain.

I installed FC3 on my laptop in a dual boot config. Now all I want is a simple set of instructions in the following format.. Im not asking for much.

1. do this
2. then do this
3. reboot and log in

But the best I get from anywhere is goto www.samba.org and read the howto.
Well I did that, that was no more help then a kick to the sack. All I want is to configure this laptop to log into a windows domain running ADS. If Linux ever wants to be #1 on the desktop then they need to add basic crap like this. It takes me 3 minutes to boot a xp machine and add it to the domain.. Ive spent 4 days on this with nothing but the run around from the so called open source community. Half the sites are crap the other half you have to pay to find that they dont know crap either..

Now does anyone have a simple 1.2.3 linux for dummies style set of instructions for adding a linux laptop to a windows ADS Domain. I would greatly appreciate it.

Gobbles :mad:

Comments

  • shwaipshwaip bluffin' with my muffin Icrontian
    edited February 2005
    have you tried asking here
    http://www.fedoraforum.org/
    I've had several questions answered quickly and correctly there.
  • lightninlightnin
    edited February 2005
    what EXACTLY are you trying to do here? sit down at a kdm/gdm login prompt, put in windows credentials, and log into both the linux machine AND the domain, or simply view shared folders on the domain? or do you want to supply your unix passwd, log onto the machine, open your network drive folder and THEN log onto the wondows domain?

    i'm assuming the first, log into kdm/gdm once with win credential and boom, magic.

    here's an article on fedora core 3 and others, with screenies:

    http://redmondmag.com/columns/article.asp?EditorialsID=858

    this goes beyond the scope of samba config and also touches the windows domain config. it's really up to the windows administrators to map unix drives to their network. once that's established, then worry about samba. it's just as much windoze's fault here.
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited February 2005
    Im trying to sit down a gnome log in for Fedora Core 3, enter my username, password and log into my laptop with my full network rights which allow me browse all the servers on the network and access those shares that I have rights to.
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited February 2005
    I can see all the servers on the network. I just cant access any shares and I am pretty sure im not logged into the domain..
  • lightninlightnin
    edited February 2005
    that's what i was thinking. check out that link, i havent personally gone through it myself but it seems to be the most step-by-step i've seen yet, specifically for fc3. that article though definitely had an MS slant on it.
  • lightninlightnin
    edited February 2005
    http://fedora.musc.edu/


    that's another site, it's failry disorganized though. is this your personal network or is this a school/office thing?
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited February 2005
    Im reading it now.. It looks thus far, exactly like what I was looking for.
  • lightninlightnin
    edited February 2005
    i've been in your shoes before, however it was an old nt domain, much much much easier to config for
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited February 2005
    BTW if you guys didnt know this Lightnin is the Linux god! :thumbsup:
  • lightninlightnin
    edited February 2005
    ;) i might have messed around with it a time or two...
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited February 2005
    Im using yum to update my system, the guy says you need samba 3.05. I went ahead and followed his steps. Only problem Ive had was when I actually attempted to join the domain I got a insuffiecent access message back. I have rights to add machines to the domain but I think its that im using an older version of samba.. Hard to say how much longer the update will take with no overall precentage bars. Wish me luck, ill post back with more news when its done updating..

    g
  • lightninlightnin
    edited February 2005
    that's why i absolutely can't stand red hat of any variety... it's package management is archaic at best. just wait till you get a broken dependancy and spend all afternoon scouring the net for a dozen specific rpms to satisfy one stinking little package. what version of samba did you have?
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited February 2005
    Im running samba 3.0.10 now. It took a few hours to update but its all set now.

    I still cant log into the domain. I followed that guys write up but it still fails.

    I used authconfig like he said. I set it up like he said using our domain information.

    I configured PAM and set up the home file like he said but when I try to log in, I get an authorization failure box pop up. Ive heard that xandros is uber easy to configure for windows domains but damn if Ill pay for a linux distro and I really dont want to spend another night downloading a distro and burning the discs..
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited February 2005
    welp ive spent days trying to make this work.. its a real shame linux cant even make something so basic, as joining a windows domain, work smoothly. The guide that guy wrote was nice but it did not work. Ive tried repeatedly to make it work and it just wont. I stand with my original post, Linux will never be desktop king because its a friggin chore to do just a simple thing like join a domain if you can that is. As ive been working on this with the Domain admins, my official recomendation will have to be that linux will not be a viable usable alternative for the company..
  • lightninlightnin
    edited February 2005
    have you tried a distro besides red hat? have you tried anything OTHER than samba? there has to be a way to make it work. PM primesuspect and ask him, i'm sure he's done linux + AD before.
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited February 2005
    I tried mandrake 10.1 which as a distro in general sucks ass. I may download xandros as ive heard it can be attached to a domain with super ease however from what I see its only available for free through torrent.. I hate bittorrent.

    from what I have read most other distros are just as much a pain in the butt. I would welcome primes input. I mean ive spent 15 hours here at work trying to do what takes me about 30 seconds in windows... :shakehead
  • GrayFoxGrayFox /dev/urandom Member
    edited February 2005
    My buddy told me there was a package for debian

    all you need to do is apt-get install (I forgot the name sorry :( )
    I will ask him again in a few hours when hes back on
    then u go to ur usr folder and it should be in there :D
  • lightninlightnin
    edited February 2005
    ok, i dug a little deeper, here's what i came up with.

    http://jaxen.ratisle.net/~jj/nss_ldap-AD_Integration_how-to.html


    debian stable has the libnss_ldap package and i can bet you'll find an rpm for it as well. you'll need it for this to work.
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited February 2005
    I will also need to have the domain admin install the schema file, which I can assure you that on a live domain, they will not.

    No sweat man. I tried Linux failed. It just has not grown enough yet to be put easily into a domain. The whole idea was to see if it could easily be added to the domain like a windows machine, it cant. Ive spent a week or to getting to know linux slightly and found that it just is not mature enough to be used 100% of the time. There is nothing quick and easy about it except the installation. Installing just the basic program requires to much time to be spent caudling it. In a live working/production environment we just dont have the time to caudle a new OS. Linux in the work place... seems like a scam to me, one you use to tell everyone one how hard your working and why you need more man power. Administration and configuration just take to long.

    It is however an excellent novelty to pass away days when we do have down time. Maybe the linux powers that be will wake up and realize that with out native windows domain support, they are never going to get the work place foot hold they are looking for.
  • b0wzb0wz Tri-Cities Washington, USA
    edited February 2005
    snynaptic is a package manager that works well with fedora core 3, you have to Get-apt, then install synaptic, it will handle the package upgrades and take care of the broken stuff as well. check out http://freshrpms.net/ :) does wonder on my windows network at home, have not tried it here at work yet, with all the domain contorler stuff, but then we don't rely soley on winBlows.......for the network :D
  • lightninlightnin
    edited February 2005
    no offense, but if you've only been using linux a week or so, how do you know it isnt ready for the workplace? getting ldap/AD junk set up isn't really a "new to linux/unix" topic.

    actually i have a few linux workstations and a few macs here at work on an nt domain with no prbs at all. ALL of our production servers are debian. spend less time 'caudling' the linux servers than our wonderful win 2000 pro file/print/internal email server (and it only has around 30 users vs several thousand users).

    our windows workstation machines get trashed somewhere around 3 times a year, from natural loading/offloading vars on the registry and thus we always have at least 2 win machines down getting reformatted/reinstalled. not so with the linux workstations machines. the machine i'm on has been rigorously used and up for the past month with no reboot. again, linux wins hands down

    granted windows SHOULD and DOES plug into a windows domain/realm/whatever much easier because it was windows domains were built for windows machines. if you absolutely have to have a mixed environment, get someone to set up the linux machines who already knows what they are doing and give the OS a fair shake in a unix-unfriendly network environment. active directory DOES look like more of a pain than i went through, but i read reports from people having success.
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited February 2005
    I build servers all day long. Each of these servers runs some form of windows OS be it pro, 2000 server, or 2003. Each machine gets "burned in" Ive run some of these systems under full load for over 500 hours, that at full cpu, while the drives are rebuilding, while being written to, while the memory is being cycled with data, while the machine writes to dvd.. flawless. not a single issue.

    You say get someone that knows unix/linux. Now we are talking more expense to pay a person to come in and do it, which we wont do, 1 our software that we produce does not run in nix at all, 2 the point is to decrease costs... by adding staff you are increasing costs.

    You have read reports of success.. a few vs how many failures..

    Ive run Windows servers doing a variety of tasks from intraweb development to file serving to RAS services. All were on a 6 month reboot schedule. We rebooted them every 6 months even if they did not need it. The web development server ran for a year with out issues, and your talking to guys writing experimental code for database queries and such. The machine was not only stable, it was wicked fast as it was folding at the same time.

    For every linux machine you can produce thats stable and such, I got 10 windows machines. Im just saying that its not mature. It works well in a nix only networki but in a mixed network it is sorely lacking...
  • lightninlightnin
    edited February 2005
    yeah now we could get into a pissing contest.

    we do heavy development as well.
    Ive run Windows servers doing a variety of tasks from intraweb development to file serving to RAS services. All were on a 6 month reboot schedule. We rebooted them every 6 months even if they did not need it. The web development server ran for a year with out issues, and your talking to guys writing experimental code for database queries and such. The machine was not only stable, it was wicked fast as it was folding at the same time.

    i can say the EXACT SAME THING about a dozen linux machines. except we dont reboot on a 6 month schedule.

    and...

    we get to play with kernel code.


    1 our software that we produce does not run in nix at all


    so let me get this straight.... you're going to develop on machines that the code you write wont run on?

    this is laughable. what was the point of all this? flamebait?
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited February 2005
    who said anything about developing on these machines. We were just looking to see if we could get a linux laptop to join our ADS domain. Nothing more nothing less and the conclusion is not with out an assload of unnecessary work..

    the intraweb development is all on IIS...

    Every machine on our network is a windows machine right now, except my laptop which dual boots..
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited February 2005
    Hate to tell you this, Gobbles, BUT Linux was written first as a server OS and secondly as a client OS (and it was not written to login to NTFS domains as client, rather to SERVE data and functions to a mixed network)-- think of it as an alternative to Widnows Server, not 2000 Professional. In fact, some of what you want the powers that be for Linux to do will be happening-- the LSB is getting multi-forked with one modular pseudo-fork going toward mostly client things, and other major modular pseudo-fork going to server things. So, look for changes in the future.

    Let me clarify one thing for the others that are reading this thread or will be: literally, what is going to be happening is that the LSB is going to become modular with multiple ways to qualify a Linux install as LSB compliant. The GPL license is likely to change over the next 3-4 years also. The time is not right now for what Gobbles wants to do easily, unless he wants to talk his domain admin into helping--- because the easiest way to do this is to set up a client box so it looks like a peer mini-server to the domain. That's not easy to secure. the other thing I would look at is including TightVNC in the mix, as THAT might let you in fact access what you want to access and set up a Samba share for others to get what you and they need to share from your machine. Your share becomes a mini-server, in effect and in how you admin it.
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