OC'ing 3500 winchester - msi neo2

deftoner500deftoner500
edited May 2005 in Hardware
Ok im starting to have trouble with this whole thing ;( ... Im running right now with this setup 11x215@2.3mhz... I can do windows just fine its nice but I Cant play CS. It always kicks me out now. Sometimes it will freeze. The voltage says 1.408 on cpuid. Will I need more v than that? Maybe its the memory voltage? Someone help I figured this shouldnt be very unstable seein what everyone else is at.. HTT is 4x also. IVe been trying all night but I Cant find anything stable myabe its just me?? Also I have pc4000 ddr500 adata viesta ram.. (2x512mb) Im having trouble working the vcore I put it up but cpuid says its still @ 1.4

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  • muddocktormuddocktor
    edited April 2005
    Try running memtest86 from a bootable floppy or bootable cd and see if your memory is stable, deftoner500. I've heard that the MSI boards can be real picky about the ram they will run. You can download either from our OCZ forum. :)
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    muddocktor wrote:
    Try running memtest86 from a bootable floppy or bootable cd and see if your memory is stable, deftoner500. I've heard that the MSI boards can be real picky about the ram they will run. You can download either from our OCZ forum. :)

    Hey I didnt think of that thanks allot man!! I might just try in 512 stick as well see if I can get it stable with just one once.. but imma try that memtest thanks again :)
  • JimboraeJimborae Newbury, Berks, UK New
    edited April 2005
    Have you tried dropping the HTT down to 3x, it would also help if you could post what bios you are using. 1.36B works best for me as it gives you the greatest range of cpu voltages.

    Also the cpu voltage under volts by 0.10v with winchester chips so set the cpu vid to max (I think its 1.55v) & then bump the "cpu voltage" to 10% to begin with. Also don't forget the to set the AGP Frequency to 67 otherwise the pci lock doesn't work. You may find that you have to whack the ram voltage up to the max as well, as very few of the Adata sticks have TCCD chips on them, they're mainly Hynix. It's the 4500 & 4800 that had TCCD for definite.

    Finally if you running sata hard disks they have to plugged into ports 3 or 4 otherwise these aren't locked on either ports 1 & 2.
  • lemonlimelemonlime Canada Member
    edited April 2005
    A64 memory controllers can also be very picky with timings. When you start pushing the clock speed envilope, you may find some instability when using tight timings. Try to use some loose 2.5-4-4-8 timings at first to find your CPU's maximum clock. You can enable 2T mode as well (sometimes called 'Disable CPC'). Then you can try to tighten things up afterwards.

    My A64 can go to over 2.75GHz with over 300MHz memory with very loose 3-5-5-8 2T timings, but as soon as I tighten things up, I have to reduce my overclock to get things stable.
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    Jimborae wrote:
    Have you tried dropping the HTT down to 3x, it would also help if you could post what bios you are using. 1.36B works best for me as it gives you the greatest range of cpu voltages.

    Also the cpu voltage under volts by 0.10v with winchester chips so set the cpu vid to max (I think its 1.55v) & then bump the "cpu voltage" to 10% to begin with. Also don't forget the to set the AGP Frequency to 67 otherwise the pci lock doesn't work. You may find that you have to whack the ram voltage up to the max as well, as very few of the Adata sticks have TCCD chips on them, they're mainly Hynix. It's the 4500 & 4800 that had TCCD for definite.

    Finally if you running sata hard disks they have to plugged into ports 3 or 4 otherwise these aren't locked on either ports 1 & 2.

    Awesome info thanks allot. While im at work right now ill have to get on that stuff later :) Maybe ill have to try 3xHTT. For bios im not sure I didnt look into that its just want it came with right now. So 10% over 1.55v then right. I tried like 3% i thihnk it was and it didnt boot up I tried reseting it and still wouldnt boot I was scared it fried haha but I took it out and it booted up fine after. I did not change the AGP frequency also So ill have to do that :)
  • lsevaldlsevald Norway Icrontian
    edited April 2005
    There's a bug in the neo2 bios. Some RAM timing combinations makes Vdimm run at default no matter what you configure it to in bios (it resets right after bios post). Try setting RAM to 200MHz and 1T only (leave the rest at auto/default), and work out the max oc from there.

    EDIT: http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8251
  • JimboraeJimborae Newbury, Berks, UK New
    edited April 2005
    lemonlime wrote:
    ...........
    My A64 can go to over 2.75GHz with over 300MHz memory with very loose 3-5-5-8 2T timings, but as soon as I tighten things up, I have to reduce my overclock to get things stable.


    You are a very lucky man to be doing 2.75ghz :)
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    lsevald wrote:
    There's a bug in the neo2 bios. Some RAM timing combinations makes Vdimm run at default no matter what you configure it to in bios (it resets right after bios post). Try setting RAM to 200MHz and 1T only (leave the rest at auto/default), and work out the max oc from there.

    EDIT: http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8251

    You know when I went back to the bios sometimes... things had changed on their own I didnt know if it was just me or not lol...

    But anyways I went home and I tried Volting up the #@# and I Still couldnt get into a CS game without it crashing. I had the vcore 1.6 and ram at 2.8 and still nothing :( I was only at 2.3ghz too. 11x215 I believe it was Htt4x. Also I tried 3xhtt that didnt do anything either lol. I set agp to 67 as well. From last Night I left my computer on the whole night running emule and a few other little things and it was fine but once I get into any games it freezes. Ive been mixing things up maybe its the ram? I might just try some other stuff see what I can do but my ram now eveyrone was saying good things about :(.
  • lemonlimelemonlime Canada Member
    edited April 2005
    Jimborae wrote:
    You are a very lucky man to be doing 2.75ghz :)

    3-5-5-10 2T timings though, not too lucky :D, and thats really not 100% 24/7 stable either with 1.65V required ..

    I got so frustrated with this winchester's memory controller that I'm now using an 11x multi for 2.65GHz (11x240). Chip behaves much better if I keep the memory frequency below DDR500 speeds. I can even use 2-3-3-6 timings at 240MHz, which is pretty good, runs at 1.42volts as well, so it's nice and cool at 36-38 degrees full load :thumbsup: .. just waiting for 'San Diego 4000+ to hit the shelves'
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    lemonlime wrote:
    3-5-5-10 2T timings though, not too lucky :D, and thats really not 100% 24/7 stable either with 1.65V required ..

    I got so frustrated with this winchester's memory controller that I'm now using an 11x multi for 2.65GHz (11x240). Chip behaves much better if I keep the memory frequency below DDR500 speeds. I can even use 2-3-3-6 timings at 240MHz, which is pretty good, runs at 1.42volts as well, so it's nice and cool at 36-38 degrees full load :thumbsup: .. just waiting for 'San Diego 4000+ to hit the shelves'

    Damn man you are lucky.. SO far im not having luck with this setup and I wish so far I had my 2500 barton back up lol. I havent seen any improvements except for starting up windows... Games and what not are seeming laggy and choppy. Right now im runnin 2.367 11x215 With 1.5v to the cpu and 2.8 to mem. Htt4x and timming is 2.5 3 3 10 1T cause it seems 2T wasnt stable.
  • lemonlimelemonlime Canada Member
    edited April 2005
    deftoner500 wrote:
    Damn man you are lucky.. SO far im not having luck with this setup and I wish so far I had my 2500 barton back up lol. I havent seen any improvements except for starting up windows... Games and what not are seeming laggy and choppy. Right now im runnin 2.367 11x215 With 1.5v to the cpu and 2.8 to mem. Htt4x and timming is 2.5 3 3 10 1T cause it seems 2T wasnt stable.

    Do you know what week code your Winchester is ? Most 3500+ winchesters will do 2.5-2.6GHz without much of a boost in voltage. I'm surprised that you have hit a wall at 2.35GHz. There must be something holding you back (my guess would be some aspect of the mainboard is not locking, like the PCI/AGP bus speed etc). Did you try some of the suggestions Jimborae recommended?
  • JimboraeJimborae Newbury, Berks, UK New
    edited April 2005
    Just to add that there are some new Winnies around that overclock very badly however I thought most of those were 3000+ & 3200+ not 3500+, so I agree with lemon that there's something very odd going on here.
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    Ya this is getting annoying lol Its never been this much of a challenge for me. Ive also never used a different brand of boards cept for ABIT :) maybe thats my problem... I dunno ill have to just keep tryin more things I guess. Just wanted to know if IM doing anything wrong.
  • lemonlimelemonlime Canada Member
    edited April 2005
    I know it is time consuming, but if you could take some digital photos of your bios screens, or write down any overclocking/cpu/memory related settings, perhaps we could go through them and take a look, and see if anything stands out..
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    Awesome ill do that I would totally appreciate it since I spent a good deal of money I might as well get it right lol.
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    Do you think its possible that its acting up because I switched just the mobo/cpu and didnt reformat my HD?
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    Its gotta be something with my memory.. Its bh-5 chips and I think i need to get the bios to 1.37 or newer I saw on this dudes tip list. I think ill just try one stick in there and do the flash and well take it from there : )
  • JimboraeJimborae Newbury, Berks, UK New
    edited April 2005
    Are you sure they're BH-5 chips, i thought it was likely to be Hynix-b. If they are BH-5 then there's one of your problems straight off. BH-5 needs over 3.0v to really start performing.
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    No your right i lied hehe. Hynix - D5 chips :rolleyes:
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    I just came acrossed this chinese site I couldnt read much but I saw a pic with the same setup as me and he had pc4000 adata what i got and he has his in the 2 closest slots to the cpu... is that right? And hes running 267+fsb @ 2.85v. HTT is 3x and his cpu is at 7x lol and 1.55v +10% for the Vcore.

    http://www.ocworks.com/memory/adata40512.html

    that last pic at the bottom left is how his ram is I have mine just in the 2 purple ones...
  • JimboraeJimborae Newbury, Berks, UK New
    edited April 2005
    To run dual channel you have to have the ram in slots 1&2 or 3&4. How he has got it is correct, the manual is very misleading in this respect.
  • deftoner500deftoner500
    edited April 2005
    OK :) So that might help me with my stability problem then? Last night was pretty good I would have to say though I did some reinstalls with drives and stuff so it was playing cs like normal again but hopefully I can start ocing again :)
  • SoLoSoLo DirtySouth, USA
    edited May 2005
    Jimborae wrote:
    You are a very lucky man to be doing 2.75ghz :)

    what ever.!!1 his amd 3500+ can handle 2.7 just fine..i had one for three mounths at 2.8 and it ran perferct..!!!
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