Setting Up Wireless Network - Help

TroganTrogan London, UK
edited July 2005 in Science & Tech
I need some help with setting up a Wireless Network. This is my first ever time doing networking... :)

Before I go into any detail I would like to know if this is correct.

I have a Belkin ADSL Modem With Built-in Wireless Router (802.11g - 54Mbps) and a Belkin Wireless G Notebook Network Card (802.11g - 54Mbps). Basically, I'm trying to setup a Wireless Network between a Desktop PC and a Wireless Laptop.

Apart from the Router and Notebook network card, do I need any additional equipement?

Thanks! :)
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  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited June 2005
    You need no additional equipment.
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    Thank you Thrax.

    Now, I've tried setting up the Router by reading the instructions given in the box but I havn't gotten very far :p. Anyways, I phoned Belkin Technical Support for help on setting up and after several phone calls, they said the Router sounds like its faulty.

    The router powers up fine - no problem and it can find the modem connection (all solid green lights).

    Here is the problem:
    When I try to connect the LAN cable from the Router to the Computer (ethernet socket at the back) there is no LAN connection (no solid light) on the Router. I've tried all 4 LAN ports on the Router and no signal from any of them.

    However, when I power the Router up all 4 LAN lights blink indicating they are working?

    So, is this a faulty router or am I doing something wrong?

    Any help is appreciated, Thanks :)
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    Do you have a different network cable you could try? Make sure you have a straight-through (not crossover) cable.

    You could try resetting the router itself, too. There's usually a little pushbutton for doing that. As a final thought, are you sure the NIC in your computer is good?
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    profdlp wrote:
    Do you have a different network cable you could try? Make sure you have a straight-through (not crossover) cable.
    I did try another cable which connects my modem to a filter but that didn't work either - not sure if that was an appropriate cable (they had the same ends)
    What do you mean by crossover?
    You could try resetting the router itself, too. There's usually a little pushbutton for doing that.
    Tried that - no luck :( but i'l try again :)
    As a final thought, are you sure the NIC in your computer is good?
    Whats an NIC? Where and How can I check please.

    Thanks prof :)

    Edit: I forgot to ask but do I need the LAN connection? I only have one Desktop PC and one Laptop
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited June 2005
    Crossover is a different kind of wire used to connect device to device (Like a PC to a PC, or (In some cases) a router to a router). Make sure you have a patch cable/straight-through cable.

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  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    An easy way to check the NIC is to hook the desktop computer straight to the ADSL modem. If it connects to that then you'll know it's OK.
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    The NIC is working as the computer is connected to an ADSL modem that works.

    Do I need to have an LAN connection between the router and computer?

    Thanks

    EDIT: my router
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  • deicistdeicist Manchester, UK
    edited June 2005
    From reading your posts I think you're confused about how the wireless part of your network will work (correct me if I'm wrong), you seem to think that the laptop will connect to the Desktop which then connects to the router, when in fact the laptop connects straight to the router. You do need an ethernet connection from the router to the desktop PC for the desktop PC to access the net, but you don't need any connection between the Desktop and the Laptop, or between the Desktop & the router for the laptop to connect to the net. That said, you probably do need an ethernet connection so that you can use the Desktop to configure the router. Hope that helps.
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    What's the Model# of the router?
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    That helps, thanks....
    deicist wrote:
    From reading your posts I think you're confused about how the wireless part of your network will work (correct me if I'm wrong), you seem to think that the laptop will connect to the Desktop which then connects to the router, when in fact the laptop connects straight to the router.
    What needs to be connected from the laptop to the router?
    You do need an ethernet connection from the router to the desktop PC for the desktop PC to access the net, but you don't need any connection between the Desktop and the Laptop, or between the Desktop & the router for the laptop to connect to the net. That said, you probably do need an ethernet connection so that you can use the Desktop to configure the router. Hope that helps.
    The router needs configuring so I would need an ethernet connection as you mentioned but not sure how to get it? :scratch:

    I know i'm asking alot but any help is great, thanks.
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    profdlp wrote:
    What's the Model# of the router?
    The model# is F5D7630uk4A
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    Trogan_1000 wrote:
    ...What needs to be connected from the laptop to the router?
    Dude - it's wireless, right? :vimp:
    The router needs configuring so I would need an ethernet connection as you mentioned but not sure how to get it?...
    Once you get the hardware linked we can move on to the intricacies of setting up the network. :)
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    Check out the "Configuring The Router" section at this page.
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    lol damn, this is so hard :D

    I'm going to try and set up the router now but I need to know:

    1) Should I connect the LAN port from the router to the ethernet port on the compter?

    2) Does the router need configuring before I can get internet access on the desktop PC?

    Dont know what else so thats it for now...thanks

    edit: reading the guide thanks
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    Trogan_1000 wrote:
    1) Should I connect the LAN port from the router to the ethernet port on the computer?
    Yes. Any one of the ports 1-4 should work.
    2) Does the router need configuring before I can get internet access on the desktop PC?
    If the router is doing the NAT (Network Address Translation) properly and the desktop is set to "Obtain an IP Address Automatically" under TCP/IP you should be all set. You may have to reboot the desktop after the cable is connected so it will obtain the address from the router, and not just use a local IP as Windows will do if it can't find anything else.
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    Im trying to set up the router. This particular belkin router needs to be set up through this ip ad (http://192.168.2.1) but I can't connect to it. When I try everything is connected into the router and so there is no internet connection. Is there any way round this?
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    I phoned up Belkin Tech Support again and spoke to this lady who was quite helpful.

    She made me look under Network Adapters in Device Manager. After naming whats under NA, she realised that I have an USB ADSL WAN Adapter and that all Belkin products use Ethernet. Now, my comp doesn't have ethernet (I didn't know this :() and that is why there was no LAN light on the router.

    She said I would need the Wireless G USB Network Adapter but I don't see how this will work??? Anyone know?

    Anyways, i'm going to buy it soon and see what happens. Thanks all :thumbsup:

    sorry for the trouble
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited June 2005
    I don't trust her conclusion.

    Do you have a way of taking a picture of the back of your computer, and the back of your router?
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    profdlp wrote:
    Check out the "Configuring The Router" section at this page.
    You can find the pictures of the router here, Thrax. :)
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited June 2005
    See, the thing is, I'm extremely skeptical that even a compaq doesn't have a simple ethernet port. It's so god damn basic, that I don't think even Compaq would forget to include one.

    He already has a 802.11G card, buying ANOTHER one in the form of a USB adapter that'll only rape his computer's performance is just silly, as it's not going to solve the initial of being unable to configure the router via ethernet.

    So, don't buy anything, Trogan.. Get us a picture of the back of your PC, and we'll see if we can't set you up with something. If worse comes to worse, you buy a $13 ethernet card.
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    Thrax wrote:
    See, the thing is, I'm extremely skeptical that even a compaq doesn't have a simple ethernet port...
    I agree. If anyone could mess it up it would be them, but I'd doubt even Compaq would do that. :p
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    I'm extremly gratefully Thrax and Prof for your patience and help :thumbsup:

    I've got a digi cam which i'l use to get a pic of the back of my pc as soon as I get batteries, which will be tomorrow.

    btw, the lady said I could phone the computer vendor (compaq) and ask them for an ethernet card. Been thinking of doing that but i'l wait until you say I should.

    Thanks
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    Here's the pic of the back of my pc. I know its a crappy shot but I tried my best :p
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    It's hard to be sure from the picture, but it looks like there are a pair of lights built into the ethernet jack. Do either of them light up when you plug in the cable?
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    Sorry about the pic - crappy cam and bad photography by me...

    There are two little lights (which I never knew about) built on each side but they don't light up. I don't think I have an ethernet card???

    Here's a close up, which is very blurry....sorry.
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    Yes, those are the lights.

    You don't have a "card", per se - the ethernet is built into the MB. What does Device Manager say about Network Adapters?
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    Here's another screenie... :)
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  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    Describe exactly how you have everything connected right now, starting with the line from the telephone jack on down.
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited June 2005
    profdlp wrote:
    Describe exactly how you have everything connected right now, starting with the line from the telephone jack on down.

    ADSL Modem - not router

    I use a telephone extention wire, which is connected into the telephone jack with a filter at the other end of the extention. The filter has the telephone socket connected along with the cable modem wire that is from the ADSL Modem. The modem connects to the computer via USB.

    Router

    For the router I basically connect the the power cable to the mains, connect the RJ45 wire, which came in the box from an LAN port on the router to the ethernet at the back of the pc and I take out the modem cable from the ADSL modem and stick it into the router. Thats it
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited June 2005
    Did you previously have your ADSL modem hooked up via the USB port? I'm guessing that before you got your router you did, or perhaps you just ran the installation disc from your Internet Provider.

    If nothing is hooked up via USB, I would suggest that you uninstall the USB ADSL WAN Adapter, then run the Internet connection wizard and tell it to use the NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Adapter.

    In any case, you should be getting a link light, I'd think. :scratch:
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