640x480 + Windows XP = no?

ThraxThrax 🐌Austin, TX Icrontian
edited September 2003 in Hardware
Windows 2000 supports 640x480 on my Radeon 9700 Pro/Hitachi CM823F combination. Using the same drivers, Windows XP which I just "Upgraded" to for purposes of additional wireless security doesn't feature 640x480 as a selectable resolution.

This doesn't bode well for the MPEG4-lover in me, who produces his volumes typically in 640x272 as opposed to 720x362ish for reasons of mpeg4 compliance. Having 640 allows me to watch my movies at a 1:1 ratio with movie:screen. Loosing this resolution annoys the piss out of me, and I was wondering if anyone had any ideas as to how to put it back in.

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  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    Try this. :)
  • fatcatfatcat Mizzou Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    might want to try powerstrip also...i dont use it these days but i remember it had all sorts of resolutions..maybe rage3D Tweak..but yea winXP default min resoultion is 800x600 now

    fc
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    Worked marvelously! Thanks BlackHawk!
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    I found an easy way to do it without the program by mucking around a little bit with Windows properties...
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  • BlackHawkBlackHawk
    really needs a 21" monitor :bawling:
    Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    really needs a 21" monitor :bawling:
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    1600x1200@90Hz baby. :D
  • EnverexEnverex Worcester, UK Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    Thrax said
    1600x1200@90Hz baby. :D

    What monitor are you using?

    EDIT: Just about managed to grab it out your sig - Hitachi CM823F

    NS
  • leishi85leishi85 Grand Rapids, MI Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    woohoo, 1600x1200 at 100hz, baby!!!

    me loves my new NEC 22inch
  • FilmFilm Florida
    edited September 2003
    the only reason i dont buy a 21" monitor is cause this 17 is bulky enough for the occasional lans i go to... id hate to carry a huge monitor up flights of stairs (one lan i go to has stairs to get to it)
  • EnverexEnverex Worcester, UK Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    Film said
    the only reason i dont buy a 21" monitor is cause this 17 is bulky enough for the occasional lans i go to... id hate to carry a huge monitor up flights of stairs (one lan i go to has stairs to get to it)

    I found my 15" hard enough :crazy:
    leishi85 said
    woohoo, 1600x1200 at 100hz, baby!!!

    me loves my new NEC 22inch

    I'm going to buy a 19" that does 1600x1200@100hz so nerr :tongue:

    NS
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    Film said
    the only reason i dont buy a 21" monitor is cause this 17 is bulky enough for the occasional lans i go to... id hate to carry a huge monitor up flights of stairs (one lan i go to has stairs to get to it)
    True. I have a few friends that have 21" Trinitrons they're big mofo's but they're sure are purdy :buck:.
  • leishi85leishi85 Grand Rapids, MI Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    NightShade737 said
    Film said
    the only reason i dont buy a 21" monitor is cause this 17 is bulky enough for the occasional lans i go to... id hate to carry a huge monitor up flights of stairs (one lan i go to has stairs to get to it)

    I found my 15" hard enough :crazy:
    leishi85 said
    woohoo, 1600x1200 at 100hz, baby!!!

    me loves my new NEC 22inch

    I'm going to buy a 19" that does 1600x1200@100hz so nerr :tongue:

    NS

    Mistake, my monitor could do 120hz at 1600x1200,
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited September 2003
    When I want to watch movies @ full-screen I just press alt+enter. Why isn't that sufficient for you, Thrax?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    Another person who doesn't understand what I mean.

    I encode movies at 640x272, they're designed for a 640x480 display for the cleanest picture. If I don't have 640x480, that means I have to fullscreen them at 800x600, approximately 20% larger than that which the movies were designed for. The image becomes stretched and is now 800x326 or so. Pixels are doubled and tripled to fit the resolution at the encoded aspect ratio, and the end result is a muddy, blurry image.
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited September 2003
    It all depend son the resolution, Thrax, that is why I was asking why not having 640x480 wasn't sufficient for you. You have a monitor that does 1600x1200, then 1280x1024 should be no problem for you at all and 1280x1024 would allow your 640x272 MPEG-4 to scale perfectly. It would be 1280x544 and all would be good.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    And again, the pixels (On the film) would be stretched, doubled, and enlarged, producing a blurry (Annoying) image.

    Just take an image, any image...And then enlarge it to 200% its original size. That's the effect I'm trying to avoid, it's blurry, lacking detail...Ugly.
  • EnverexEnverex Worcester, UK Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    a2jfreak said
    It all depend son the resolution, Thrax, that is why I was asking why not having 640x480 wasn't sufficient for you. You have a monitor that does 1600x1200, then 1280x1024 should be no problem for you at all and 1280x1024 would allow your 640x272 MPEG-4 to scale perfectly. It would be 1280x544 and all would be good.

    Try it.

    I noticed this when I had to use lower resolutions before. At lower resolutions the picture takes up more of the screen and doesn't look as bad as it would consuming the same amount of space on a higher resolution. Basically the same as VCDs. It looks great taking up the whole TV downstairs, but if I maximise it on my PC it looks yak (though taking into acount the less crispness of the TV).

    NS
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    NightShade737 said
    a2jfreak said
    It all depend son the resolution, Thrax, that is why I was asking why not having 640x480 wasn't sufficient for you. You have a monitor that does 1600x1200, then 1280x1024 should be no problem for you at all and 1280x1024 would allow your 640x272 MPEG-4 to scale perfectly. It would be 1280x544 and all would be good.

    Try it.

    I noticed this when I had to use lower resolutions before. At lower resolutions the picture takes up more of the screen and doesn't look as bad as it would consuming the same amount of space on a higher resolution. Basically the same as VCDs. It looks great taking up the whole TV downstairs, but if I maximise it on my PC it looks yak (though taking into acount the less crispness of the TV).

    NS

    Precisely, NS.
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited September 2003
    You're displaying an image @ 400% its normal size on a screen that's over 400% the normal size. Since the pixels are less than 1/4th the size they are on a 640x480 screen, the clarify of the image should be the same, even though it has been magified. I've tried it in the past on my rips and it's perfectly fine.
    Thrax said
    And again, the pixels (On the film) would be stretched, doubled, and enlarged, producing a blurry (Annoying) image.

    Just take an image, any image...And then enlarge it to 200% its original size. That's the effect I'm trying to avoid, it's blurry, lacking detail...Ugly.



    I did. It was perfectly fine, and I know my monitor isn't better than Thrax's because I can't get anywhere near his resolution, much less his resolution and the same refresh rate. Now, it's possible that my monitor sucketh royally and is why the image looks just a clear at 640x480 that it does when run higher, but I seriously doubt it because the math behind it is the same. The picture clariity should be the same.

    The reason your VCD looks fine on a TV but like crap on a monitor is because you're probably sitting much further away from your TV than you are your monitor and your monitor is a much higher resolution device than your TV.
    NightShade737 said


    Try it.

    I noticed this when I had to use lower resolutions before. At lower resolutions the picture takes up more of the screen and doesn't look as bad as it would consuming the same amount of space on a higher resolution. Basically the same as VCDs. It looks great taking up the whole TV downstairs, but if I maximise it on my PC it looks yak (though taking into acount the less crispness of the TV).

    NS
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