Book - Hacking Exposed

SlickSlick Upstate New York
edited October 2003 in Science & Tech
I work at a library so I have been reading this book (the first edition). I was thinking about buying it so I have been looking on amazon and they have the 'fourth edition'. I was wondering if anyone knew how this differed from the first edition. I would just buy the 4th edition but I am afraid they will start from where they left off with advanced techniques. I definatly want to start from the beginners stage. What do you all think, first or fourth edition?

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  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    I think that any published book about hacking is going to be class-A rubbish. More often than not, it'll probably cover already-patched security exploits (If it even covers those), and won't go into much depth on programming your own tools or the environments in which a "Real" hacker would be working.

    Hacking is one of the few remaining tasks on a machine that won't be publicized with the depth it requires to explain the task. Hacking exposed books are probably like "Get rich quick" books...BS.
  • EnverexEnverex Worcester, UK Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    Normally when its an edition like that, its not really an edition, more of an update, i.e. terms changed to meet today, rather than refering to old things all the time. Think of it as firmware, sort of, as they also fix things like mis-information or spelling mistakes.

    NS
  • SlickSlick Upstate New York
    edited September 2003
    Well I have been reading the book and it seems interesting to me, thank you thrax.
  • WuGgaRoOWuGgaRoO Not in the shower Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    personally...i agree with thrax...if u wanna know how to hack for real...u should look for online rescources...cuz the government wouldnt allow a book to be published to teach u how to fully hack
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    Slick said
    Well I have been reading the book and it seems interesting to me, thank you thrax.

    Interesting, and a reliable source of accurate information are two entirely different characteristics. Thank you, Slick.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    Nope, you guys are dead wrong. Hacking Exposed, despite it's ridiculously commercial title, is a very excellent source of common and uncommon exploits and preventative measures for anyone who is going to be using real servers on the real internet. It is a highly accurate and very timely book, Thrax. Maybe you should actually read something before debunking it as "Class A Rubbish" :rolleyes: (You can't judge a book by it's cover and all that.....) You sure think you're the authority on everything sometimes :rolleyes:

    Slick, I highly recommend it, and I would definitely recommend the latest edition. I have the 3rd edition and it has a chapter on Windows 2000 that is pretty comprehensive, but it is still NT4-Centric, so I'm sure the 4th edition will have much more timely information.
  • SlickSlick Upstate New York
    edited September 2003
    WuGgaRoO said
    personally...i agree with thrax...if u wanna know how to hack for real...u should look for online rescources...cuz the government wouldnt allow a book to be published to teach u how to fully hack

    We have the freedom of press. Not allowing us to print such information would be highly unconstitutional.
    primesuspect said
    Nope, you guys are dead wrong. Hacking Exposed, despite it's ridiculously commercial title, is a very excellent source of common and uncommon exploits and preventative measures for anyone who is going to be using real servers on the real internet. It is a highly accurate and very timely book, Thrax. Maybe you should actually read something before debunking it as "Class A Rubbish" :rolleyes: (You can't judge a book by it's cover and all that.....) You sure think you're the authority on everything sometimes :rolleyes:

    Slick, I highly recommend it, and I would definitely recommend the latest edition. I have the 3rd edition and it has a chapter on Windows 2000 that is pretty comprehensive, but it is still NT4-Centric, so I'm sure the 4th edition will have much more timely information.

    Thank you, Prime.
  • pseudonympseudonym Michigan Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    WuGgaRoO said
    personally...i agree with thrax...if u wanna know how to hack for real...u should look for online rescources...cuz the government wouldnt allow a book to be published to teach u how to fully hack

    The gov has to let it be published. You should see some of the books you can get. You can still get books on how to make explosives, guns, how to kill people and get away with it, etc etc. The info is out there.
  • WuGgaRoOWuGgaRoO Not in the shower Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    we dont have freedom of speech..censorship laws my friend...censorship laws.

    //edit
    and i admit if i am wrong...i personally did not read the book...but if prime has read it and says its class a goodness...then ill go with his oppinion..the main reason why i agreed with thrax is because that censorship laws do exist and they do prevent a lot of books from coming out...im sure of it
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited September 2003
    I admit my wrong -shrugs- So happens that <i>every</i> other book like this ever published was script-kiddie crap. The title doesn't help it along either. I just went on that.
  • SlickSlick Upstate New York
    edited September 2003
    Just ordered it last night on amazon. I am wondering about this dvd that comes with it.
  • DisvengeanceDisvengeance
    edited October 2003
    You all have freedom of press unless of course martial law or habeas corpus are imposed. But the gonvernment will only act on treason if it is committed. And its freedom of speech. As long as not offensive to others. dont forget that part
  • fudgamfudgam Upstate New York
    edited October 2003
    "And under martian law, everyone will enforce the laws with baseball bats"
  • TemplarTemplar You first.
    edited October 2003
    If something that is published threatens national security, you can bet it will go down under "classified", or someone will work to prevent mainstream contamination. You'll have an easier time claiming Freedom of press if you're shouting opinions opposed to making some form of biological weapon.
  • fudgamfudgam Upstate New York
    edited October 2003
    We do have the freedom the press and speech, but if the government or an industry with power wants and can pull an article, they will.
  • BriltBrilt brooklyn
    edited October 2003
    Pseudonym said
    WuGgaRoO said
    personally...i agree with thrax...if u wanna know how to hack for real...u should look for online rescources...cuz the government wouldnt allow a book to be published to teach u how to fully hack

    The gov has to let it be published. You should see some of the books you can get. You can still get books on how to make explosives, guns, how to kill people and get away with it, etc etc. The info is out there.

    http://www.paladin-press.com/

    this is where you can find those books on explosives, guns and how to kill people guides. Of course they are only meant for educational value not as a guide :ninja:
  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited October 2003
    Let's not get on the freedom of speech topic too much or I'll change ALL of your credit ratings. Each and every one of you.

    :eek2:

    That's Hacking Exposed.



    On the subject at hand I would think that a book like that "may" be a good starting point and from there you can ask more intelligent questions.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    So how is the book, Slick?
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