Burn 4x media at 40x in Nero6?

t1rhinot1rhino Toronto
edited October 2004 in Science & Tech
I used to use Nero5, and it let me burn 4x media at 40x speeds.
Now that I have Nero6, it automatically detects the media as 4x and won't let me change it.
I can't seem to find an option to change this feature. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

tia

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  • MERRICKMERRICK In the studio or on a stage
    edited October 2003
    Not a fix but an opinion

    I used to burn audio cd's at 48x but after doing some research I tried burning at 4x and I get a better sounding CD. There have been many studies about this. Slower burn means less transfer jitter means less errors. when burning .cda files there is a big allowance for error which understandable since the data is not byte critical. (a prog like CD Check won't even look at audio cd's)On data CDs allowable error is NOT the case.

    So if you are burning audio (.cda) files 4x is actually the way to go IMHO. However if you do an A/B comparisson with 4x and 40x and hear no difference then don't sweat it. Audio engineers are naturally more nit picky with this stuff.

    More here (recommended):
    http://www.prosoundreview.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145
  • TimTim Southwest PA Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    When burning critical, irreplacable data, like the high bit rate copies of my Webshows, I burn at 1 X. I can wait a few extra minutes to have the highest quality file possible.
  • MERRICKMERRICK In the studio or on a stage
    edited October 2003
    Hi Tim,

    If you are having success with 1x burns then that's great. However, the one burning speed that has been consistantly advised against by OSTA and EMedia Magazine is 1x.:scratch:

    Do some CD-R recording speeds produce better results than others?
    Recorder and media manufacturers carefully tune their products to operate with each other across a wide range of speeds. As a result, equally high quality CDs are created when recording at almost all speeds. However, 1x presents a minor exception. Generally speaking, the physics and chemistry involved in the CD recording process seem to produce more consistent and readable marks in CD-R discs at 2x and greater speeds.

    http://www.osta.org/technology/cdqa5.htm

    I've never burned slower than 4x myself so I can't speak from personal experience.
  • maxanonmaxanon Montreal
    edited October 2003
    On topic:

    I haven't seen Nero6 yet, but can't you just set the write speed in the compilation info/burn settings. I thought that it was a drop box? Can you put up a pic of the burn dialog box? Also, uncheck "determine maximum speed" in the burn dialog.


    Off topic:

    From what I understand, burning bits of data don't really matter if you're burning at 2 or 40X. The music bits do matter. The reasoning is that (from a website I read a long time ago), the faster media (and faster recorders) have a more reactive coating. Burning it slower allows for a more exact and penetrating divot since the laser spends that much more time burning that spot.

    Yamaha has (had?) one that would burn at very high audio qualities, but you would lose space on your disc (I think the divots/spacing were larger).

    If you're storing data long term, then maybe some shift in the coating may be offset with a slower burning speed. But, IMHO, I would burn at 16x with a 48x burner/media since there must be a lower limit to effectiveness.
  • MERRICKMERRICK In the studio or on a stage
    edited October 2003
    Yamaha has (had?) one that would burn at very high audio qualities, but you would lose space on your disc (I think the divots/spacing were larger).

    Yes it's the CRW-F1. An impressive unit that scored flying colors with Toms Hardware. I spoke with Yamaha at the AES convention just last week and they confirmed it was discontinued this year since Yamaha is diving into the DVD burner industry. Another nice thing about it was the tatoo function which alows the burner to burn an image into the dye without affecting the data.

    Anyone know of a CD check prog that will compare the CD .wav to the original hard drive .wav for byte error comparison?
  • MancabusMancabus Charlottesville, VA
    edited October 2003
    Is there aything special in NERO 6 that you couldn't do without?

    If not then just go back to NERO 5 and forget about it.
  • t1rhinot1rhino Toronto
    edited October 2003
    It's okay. I just borrowed a spindle of 40x media from work. :D
  • TechTech
    edited October 2003
    lol "borrowed"
  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited October 2003
    I would think that a logical point of view would apply. If you try to do a job extremely fast then there most likely will be mistakes. I never burn at peak rates.

    Would burning at slower rates produce a "better sounding" CD?

    I do not feel that burning from 1x - 16x would produce a better quality audio CD than burning at 16x-24 or even 32x providing the burner is rated for 32, 48 or even 52x. Pushing for faster burn times may produce lost information resulting in a corrupt file or missing bytes of data which would then allow the file to play but bytes of information may be missing thus resulting in a "poorer audio quality"

    I find it best to burn at 1 or 2 stops below peak speed to ensure data integrity.

    I have even known that zip files of programs that are 75+ MB can corrupt when moving from drive to drive.
  • TimTim Southwest PA Icrontian
    edited October 2004
    Lately I've been burning CD's at 4X. I think that's a reasonable compromise for best quality. These are data CD's that I'm burning. All .wmv video files. Their purpose is backup / long term storage for my webshows.

    Does anyone have any idea what the best burn speed is for Memorex CD-R's? Those are the CDs that I use. So far they've been good.
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