Using the Anti_Static package under mobo?

leishi85leishi85 Grand Rapids, MI Icrontian
edited October 2003 in Hardware
I helped a friend to build a computer last weekend, and when i put everything together, it computer refuse to boot, and i took out everything and set in on the mobo box, and it worked.

It was the case shorting the mobo out, so i placed the plastic bag the mobo was in under the mobo and screw the screws all in place and boot, and it worked. so i kept it that way. Is there any problem by doing that??

i don't thinkthe plastic will melt, but i just want some opions.

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  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    1. Get a better case.
    2. Use better standoffs.

    Those are my opinions.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Take some pictures, cause that is TRUE ghetto style!

    Use some better standoffs or those little rubber washers between the mobo and the standoffs.
  • a2jfreaka2jfreak Houston, TX Member
    edited October 2003
    You'll need to use washers or SOME insulator on both sides of the motherboard (probably) because the screw touches the metal on the top of the mobo just as the standoff touches the screw on the bottom. I had to do this when I got an el-cheapo case. What a pain! Next time I'll spend a couple extra $ to buy a case that doesn't royally suck!
  • leishi85leishi85 Grand Rapids, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    i would take a picture but he already took the comp home, and besides i no have digicam. i thought about using the plastic washers, but none was available when i had to use them, so i juts thought about using that bags, i mean is there any problem with doing this??? will it cause any problems later??
  • muddocktormuddocktor
    edited October 2003
    I don't see it causing any probkems, but it sure would have been nice to see a pic of it!:D;D
  • leishi85leishi85 Grand Rapids, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    ooh yeah pic would be nice, i will see if i can find a way to get a picture of it.
    I gotta keep it ghetto style, since the old icrontic ghetto hardware days are gone.
  • edcentricedcentric near Milwaukee, Wisconsin Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    It will act as a thermal insulator and keep the mobo hotter. If it isn't OCed it prob won't matter. You may just have used screws with too large of heads, and they touched places that they shouldn't have.
  • CryptoCrypto W.Sussex UK Member
    edited October 2003
    Noooooo!

    The anti-static bag that the mobo comes in is electrically conductive. That's how it stops static building up.

    I'd get that bag out from under as soon as possible.

    You shouldn't need insulating washers between the standoffs and the mobo, the solder rings around the holes are designed to connect with metal standoffs as an additional earth.

    Good luck

    Crypto :D
  • FlintstoneFlintstone SE Florida
    edited October 2003
    I would check to see if there is an odd standoff that isn't supposed to be there shorting the mb to the case. I would get that bag out of there as the mb will overheat and shorten its life and if there's a problem like shorting, it's never a good idea to just put a bandaid on it--correct the problem!!


    Flint
  • ArmoArmo Mr. Nice Guy Is Dead,Only Aqua Remains Member
    edited October 2003
    its shorting out, it must be hitting some part thats metal other than the stand offs
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Crypto had this to say
    Noooooo!

    The anti-static bag that the mobo comes in is electrically conductive. That's how it stops static building up.

    I'd get that bag out from under as soon as possible.

    You shouldn't need insulating washers between the standoffs and the mobo, the solder rings around the holes are designed to connect with metal standoffs as an additional earth.

    Good luck

    Crypto :D

    Ehhh...wtf?

    Is the bag conductive? How can something move away static if it´s conductive AND NOT grounded? (cool idea btw, wireless grounding :wtf: ) If the bag was conductive and you apply any sort of power to it with ground, the board would be killed.

    Leishi, test the 4 corners of the mainboard first. If it works, add one at a time until the board is stuck allright.
  • CryptoCrypto W.Sussex UK Member
    edited October 2003
    Mackanz,
    don't want to labour the point and I haven't got time to find a definitive article on the manufacture of anti-static materials, but here's a link to the Conductive Plastic Company who appear to make anti-static bags from conductive plastic.

    Whatever the rights and wrongs, Leishi, get that bag out of there!

    Cheers

    Crypto :D
  • Mt_GoatMt_Goat Head Cheezy Knob Pflugerville (north of Austin) Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    And to think so many of us have been using these to place our boards on to test prior to installation or to test if we suspect a grounding problem inside the case. Heck I left a complete system run for over a week once with the board on its box with one of these for an anti-static insulator and a HDD on another to make sure I had fixed a problem prior to re-installing the board.

    leishi
    You will still want to take that out of there. Even if there is any debate on the conductivity it is still better to be safe. And it does have thermal reflective properties that will keep the heat from dispersing off the back side of the board. Do as Mackanz suggested. I have found several times that the motherboard backplate can be warped or just have a high spot that will short out a board but very often it is from having standoff in the wrong location. Although the board may have a mounting hole in certain location it may require a plastic button instead of a standoff. I recall installing my Soyo KT-333 Platinum Ulra the first time and just wizzed through the install as usual and it was dead in the case but it had tested OK prior to intallation. After getting a bit red in the face I piced up the book and noticed it said not to use a certain mounting hole and to install a button. In the following months I saw where several pep did the same thing but still didn't look in the book because they were still posting on the boards about their problem.
  • edcentricedcentric near Milwaukee, Wisconsin Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    The antistat palstic is conductive, but just barely. Remember, static is thousands of volts at micro amps. It doesn't need to conduct much to eliminate static, and it wont leak enough juice to harm the mobo.
    But it will get hotter.
  • leishi85leishi85 Grand Rapids, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    a little bit hotter isn't a problem, because my friend isn't overclocking at all.
    and i ordered and put the new zalman hsf on his p4 2.4c so temp is great.
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