The Duron 1.4's the big mystery!
Okay... so, Lammypie (my bro) and my dad both own two KT7 ABIT mobo's (not Lammypie's main rig I might add), one being a KT7A, the other being just a plain old KT7. One had a Duron 750 in it, and the other had an Athlon 800 Thunderbird. Both motherboards as you all should well know, can take up to a 1.4GHz CPU, the KT7A (not v1.3) board can also utilise 266FSB CPU's, but that is neither here nor there.
I went about the task of upgrading them both to the only new compatible chips I could find, the Morgan core Durons. Which I think originally came in a 1, 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3 GHz versions, all running with a 200FSB. So I thought great... I'll get two 1.3GHz Durons, slap them in, easy upgrade. But while I was scouting around for the best place to obtain them locally, a few places listed a <a target="_blank" href="http://www.short-media.com/images/news_images/2003/oct/Image3.jpg">1.4 GHz Duron with a 200FSB<a>, as well as a 1.6 funnily enough. Up until that point I didn't think such a chip/s existed... but nevertheless, I believed what I had read.
Now as most of you will know, there are now some new Durons starting to appear, based on cut down versions of the latest Athlon XP's (or near enough), in 1.4, 1.6 and 1.8GHz models. They I think carry a 266FSB.
So anyway, I drive down to an outlet that claims to have 1.4 Durons with a 200FSB (OEM of course), and they say, they've got some more stock coming in later in the day, so I said "okay", and decided to call back later.
I got slightly impatient, so decided while I was waiting back at home, to search around a bit more to see if I could find another place which sold these 1.4 GHz Durons with a surprising 200FSB, and low and behold I found a few places which claimed to have them. One place, when I politely enquired about the chip in questions FSB, rudely screamed at me that they only do 1.4 Durons with a 200FSB, so why did I bother asking?, I politely didn't argue seeing as I only wanted them with a 200FSB (even though one of the motherboards I planned to put them in could actually take a 266FSB CPU).
I then decide instead of waiting for the original place I went to, to get stock in, I trundled off to one of the places which claimed to have these CPU's in stock. When I arrived they brought out two very (green and organic) Thoroughbred looking chips, with Duron clearly labelled on them, but not on the core, which contained no writing. They were no doubt 1.4 GHz Durons, but I questioned what FSB they were, especially when they brought out two 1.3GHz Durons aswell, which were actually the old ceramic style chips, which I believe the Morgan core Durons are like.
I now was not very keen to take home two 1.4GHz Durons, without knowing for certain the FSB they carried, even though the very nice guy in the shop insisted they were. I politely asked him to try and find out for certain, and after about 10 minutes of being on the phone to some other tech guy, he comes back out and confirms what I had originally thought... they were in fact 266FSB Durons. Now like I said, I know there are new Duron 1.4, 1.6 and 1.8 CPU's that have a 266FSB, but I was surprised there was a 200FSB version of the 1.4.
So anyway, I obviously went for the 1.3's which were 100% going to be 200FSB, but left the shop pondering the fact that, over half a dozen retailers, online and otherwise, are advertising at least a 1.4 Duron CPU incorrectly, and perhaps even a 1.6 (as illustrated in the above linked to screenshot).
So like I thought originally, there is no 1.4Ghz Duron with a 200FSB, only a 266FSB version, which is not based on the Morgan core, and presuming this information is correct, a lot of people are going to be buying CPU's in the UK at least, that aren't what they were told they were.
I was thinking of writing some emails to a few of the bigger companies discussing this matter, for the sake of the everyday consumer, who blindly trusts the retailers word.
Thoughts, opinions, raw facts...??
Thanks for reading this whole post, I know it was a bit long, but I felt this topic needed to be discussed, or at least exposed.
Cheers
Related links:
http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2628&highlight=duron
http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3400&highlight=duron
I went about the task of upgrading them both to the only new compatible chips I could find, the Morgan core Durons. Which I think originally came in a 1, 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3 GHz versions, all running with a 200FSB. So I thought great... I'll get two 1.3GHz Durons, slap them in, easy upgrade. But while I was scouting around for the best place to obtain them locally, a few places listed a <a target="_blank" href="http://www.short-media.com/images/news_images/2003/oct/Image3.jpg">1.4 GHz Duron with a 200FSB<a>, as well as a 1.6 funnily enough. Up until that point I didn't think such a chip/s existed... but nevertheless, I believed what I had read.
![http://www.short-media.com/images/news_images/2003/oct/Image3.jpg">1.4](http://www.short-media.com/images/news_images/2003/oct/Image3.jpg">1.4){kind=link}
Now as most of you will know, there are now some new Durons starting to appear, based on cut down versions of the latest Athlon XP's (or near enough), in 1.4, 1.6 and 1.8GHz models. They I think carry a 266FSB.
So anyway, I drive down to an outlet that claims to have 1.4 Durons with a 200FSB (OEM of course), and they say, they've got some more stock coming in later in the day, so I said "okay", and decided to call back later.
I got slightly impatient, so decided while I was waiting back at home, to search around a bit more to see if I could find another place which sold these 1.4 GHz Durons with a surprising 200FSB, and low and behold I found a few places which claimed to have them. One place, when I politely enquired about the chip in questions FSB, rudely screamed at me that they only do 1.4 Durons with a 200FSB, so why did I bother asking?, I politely didn't argue seeing as I only wanted them with a 200FSB (even though one of the motherboards I planned to put them in could actually take a 266FSB CPU).
I then decide instead of waiting for the original place I went to, to get stock in, I trundled off to one of the places which claimed to have these CPU's in stock. When I arrived they brought out two very (green and organic) Thoroughbred looking chips, with Duron clearly labelled on them, but not on the core, which contained no writing. They were no doubt 1.4 GHz Durons, but I questioned what FSB they were, especially when they brought out two 1.3GHz Durons aswell, which were actually the old ceramic style chips, which I believe the Morgan core Durons are like.
I now was not very keen to take home two 1.4GHz Durons, without knowing for certain the FSB they carried, even though the very nice guy in the shop insisted they were. I politely asked him to try and find out for certain, and after about 10 minutes of being on the phone to some other tech guy, he comes back out and confirms what I had originally thought... they were in fact 266FSB Durons. Now like I said, I know there are new Duron 1.4, 1.6 and 1.8 CPU's that have a 266FSB, but I was surprised there was a 200FSB version of the 1.4.
So anyway, I obviously went for the 1.3's which were 100% going to be 200FSB, but left the shop pondering the fact that, over half a dozen retailers, online and otherwise, are advertising at least a 1.4 Duron CPU incorrectly, and perhaps even a 1.6 (as illustrated in the above linked to screenshot).
So like I thought originally, there is no 1.4Ghz Duron with a 200FSB, only a 266FSB version, which is not based on the Morgan core, and presuming this information is correct, a lot of people are going to be buying CPU's in the UK at least, that aren't what they were told they were.
I was thinking of writing some emails to a few of the bigger companies discussing this matter, for the sake of the everyday consumer, who blindly trusts the retailers word.
Thoughts, opinions, raw facts...??
Thanks for reading this whole post, I know it was a bit long, but I felt this topic needed to be discussed, or at least exposed.
Cheers
Related links:
http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2628&highlight=duron
http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3400&highlight=duron
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The Appaloosa was the .13u Duron, the successor to the Morgan. It never arrived on the market. With the intro of the Barton, Thoroughbred being easy and cheap to make to make, they rehashed their .13u Duron ideas and called it an Applebread (Appaloosa + Thoroughbred .. Sorta. Fuzzy math).
Anyhow. 1.4, 1.6, and 1.8GHz only. 128 l1 cache, 64k l2. 266 FSB period.
Stores are dumb, so are consumers.
NS
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H4xx0r - 256k L2 Cache (85% chance of stability)
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The New Duron With Applebred Core! Another Overclocking Dream Come True!!
I have a Thunderbird 900, but this sounds more interesting.
Still need to change all the caps though.
Yeah you can, I think. But you will be limited to the 1.4GHz version. It should work, but I think because an Applebred Duron (the ones we're talking about) are essentially Thoroughbred XP's with less cache (correct me if I'm wrong) you could possibly have problems with posting (as officially only the KT7A v1.3 supports XP cpu's), but it should be fine. They're so cheap, it's worth just getting one and just trying it. I say 70% chance of it working fine.
I was cleaning off old thermal paste, and oops a tiny chip came of the core.
Dunno if it matters though, I haven't tested yet.
The Duron 1400 would be a cheap replacement if I umm... killed my Tbird.
The UnOverclockable Tbird 900 cost me £150+, I hope I didn't kill it. :bawling:
Note: I bought it in Dec 1999, and it does OC to at least 1 GHz.