9800 Pro or Non Pro Flashed To 9800XT- get it here

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edited October 2003 in Hardware
Happy Halloween :buck:

http://www.3dmaxx.net/articles/xtflash/

yet 1 more reason I need to buy an ATi card.

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  • Al_CapownAl_Capown Indiana
    edited October 2003
    Wow... /me is ever so excited for when I get home. I doubt I will be able to flash it without artifacts so I will be sure to save the original bios or Add a more efficient cooling solution. Blah no time for that this weekend though.
  • DogSoldierDogSoldier The heart of radical Amish country..
    edited October 2003
    Oy vey!
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Only works with Sammy on the memory though. The only thing you add IF succesful compared to overclock via software is that overdrive thing and a tiny amount of voltage. At least make sure to test the card in software if it can do XT specs. Otherwise you can bring out the pci-card immediatly.
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    Wow, I've been looking for something like this for a while as my card can do those clock speeds, but I don't think I'm going to flash it.

    It's one thing to flash same-generation hardware (R350) BIOS's onto different cards when the only difference between them is clockspeeds, but the XT is R360-based and I don't know what flashing that BIOS onto an R350 card may do to it (side-effects wise).

    As well, XT's are 256 MB cards, while the majority of us have 128 MB 9800 NP's or 9800 Pro's. Will this work on 128 MB cards?

    Finally, keep in mind that only the Catalyst/Omega 3.8 drivers or later will correctly operate the Radeon 9800 XT. Previous driver versions will not.

    Anyone else want to volunteer to try it first? :D:D
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Simguy,

    As of lately, there are XT´s that have 128mb as well. Not that is should matter though. Bioses usually never looks at HOW much memory you have, mostly WHAT memory. If only someone could make that bios with a max mem speed of 320, i would try it.
  • TemplarTemplar You first.
    edited October 2003
    Welp. Time to save up :D
  • DogSoldierDogSoldier The heart of radical Amish country..
    edited October 2003
    I'm not trying it. I can OC my card up to 445/357 but the RAM won't go above 357 with any amount of stability. Anyone else?!??
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    All i can say is DO NOT DO THIS. Not until more bioses are out. I read through all the threads at maxx (nice forum) and i could only see 2 that actually had a success with this out of around 50. That nukbers scare me at least. All this to get the name XT in windows?

    FFS, enough is enough. On top of that, it only works with Cat 3.8 and i wouldnt touch those drivers with a 10 foot pole (courtesy of Thrax). One guy claimed that the 3.7 cats that was on his 9800 pro cd worked. THAT is very confusing as well. I´m starting to wonder if the drivers from the manufacturers are very different like in the good old detonator age. Cat 3.7 on Abits cd´s might be very different to Asus Cat 3.7 cd´s.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Steal my line for an ideology I don't believe in will ya. Jesus christ on a raft (Courtesy of Mackanz). ;D
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    The Catalyst 3.7's that are bundled with hardware are the original Catalyst 3.7's as mandated by ATI. OEM's are not permitted to make base-level changes to the Catalyst Driver set when shipping them, meaning what you install from the OEM Driver CD (which may have added tabs to support special features of each card) are still based off the original Catalyst series they are numbered after.

    The Catalyst 3.7's will NOT work with R360/RV360. Device support, special overclocking/VPU recovery features are not integrated. They won't work.

    I cracked the XT BIOS open in RadEdit to take alook to see if I could change the memory values to make sure it was compatable with 9800 NP's with 128 MB's. So far, luck has eluded me and I've had to bust out the PCI card 5 times. :D

    All in the name of XT? Forget it. I'm happy with Catalyst 3.7 and a 9800 NP running @ XT speeds.
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    If you want a BIOS, I can cook one up for you with RadEdit, but it looks like the original file was taken from a 9800XT card with Hynix DDR memory modules with thermal control for the GPU.

    I still wouldn't trust it until I see an official Samsung memory 9800XT BIOS.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    SimGuy said
    The Catalyst 3.7's that are bundled with hardware are the original Catalyst 3.7's as mandated by ATI. OEM's are not permitted to make base-level changes to the Catalyst Driver set when shipping them, meaning what you install from the OEM Driver CD (which may have added tabs to support special features of each card) are still based off the original Catalyst series they are numbered after.

    The Catalyst 3.7's will NOT work with R360/RV360. Device support, special overclocking/VPU recovery features are not integrated. They won't work.

    That´s what i thought as well but apparently one of those guys had a 3.7 from his cd that worked after the XT flash.
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    You got a link to the post with that info in it? I'd be VERY interested in obtaining that driver series...
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Boy, i need to go through 800 pages again. Might take a while but i´ll get it.
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    Judge for yourself.... one guy's attempt to flash to the XT came up with these interesting results... :wtf::scratch::wtf:

    Mackanz, thanks a bunch. I'd love to know which manufacturer is out of spec on this one.... or if this individual is feeding us a line of poop.
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  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    Here is a direct quote:

    I think I know why the Cat 3.7s aren't working.

    I have an actual 9800 XT. I couldn't get the downloaded Cat 3.7s to work with my card either. Just the 3.8s.

    Apparently, the 3.7s on the website haven't been tweaked to recognize the 9800 XT.

    But. . . the 3.7s that come on the CD for the 9800 XT do work.

    Now, here's my question. . . without the temp diode on the 9800 XT won't overdrive be problematic on flashed 9800 Pro cards?

    I've seen it asked. . . but nobody has answered.

    A coverup I say!!! :P


    Third last post as of now.

    http://www.3dmaxx.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=266&perpage=15&pagenumber=8
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    You know, this whole "news" thing has actually turned out to be a "forum-people-getter" as far as i can see. I´m not questioning theis abilitys at all, but look at most of the guys that have posted there...1 or 2 posts. NO ACTUAL results. Pile of poo in my eyes so far.

    Have you done the voltmod on any of your cards? If so, can you read the voltages before and after please? That´s the interesting part in my eyes. If the voltages are increased a lot, making the bios to default within 9800 non-pro speeds would be awesome. You get the picture?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    If it smells like ****..
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    Mackanz said
    Here is a direct quote:

    I think I know why the Cat 3.7s aren't working.

    I have an actual 9800 XT. I couldn't get the downloaded Cat 3.7s to work with my card either. Just the 3.8s.

    Apparently, the 3.7s on the website haven't been tweaked to recognize the 9800 XT.

    But. . . the 3.7s that come on the CD for the 9800 XT do work.

    Now, here's my question. . . without the temp diode on the 9800 XT won't overdrive be problematic on flashed 9800 Pro cards?

    I've seen it asked. . . but nobody has answered.

    A coverup I say!!! :P


    Third last post as of now.

    http://www.3dmaxx.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=266&perpage=15&pagenumber=8

    I don't get it. Catalyst 3.8 shipped before XT hit the market by almost 4 weeks. Why are the 3.7's bunded with XT when all of the features that make XT a worthy upgrade (in some people's eyes) are integrated in 3.8? :scratch::scratch::scratch:

    Aside from that, I've searched through the downloaded Catalyst 3.7's INF files, looking for references to R360. None exist, but surprisingly these drivers support 9600 XT. Of course they aren't named "Radeon 9600 XT" in the driver files, simply "Radeon 9600 Series" with the RV360 support ati2mtag.sys file.
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    Mackanz said
    You know, this whole "news" thing has actually turned out to be a "forum-people-getter" as far as i can see. I´m not questioning theis abilitys at all, but look at most of the guys that have posted there...1 or 2 posts. NO ACTUAL results. Pile of poo in my eyes so far.

    Have you done the voltmod on any of your cards? If so, can you read the voltages before and after please? That´s the interesting part in my eyes. If the voltages are increased a lot, making the bios to default within 9800 non-pro speeds would be awesome. You get the picture?

    Just another tech-site gimmick to get more members. ;) J/K

    Nah, the process does have its merits, but only a limited number of people can enjoy it. What I don't get is that there really is no reason to perform this mod other than to say "Look mah... ExTEE." It doesn't add features and it doesn't aide in O/C'ing by the looks of things. I'm not seeing a real valid reason to do this.

    Sorry, haven't volt-modded anything. I love to O/C video cards, but I don't want to phuck up a nice $350.00 piece of equipment if I volt-mod the thing wrong :)

    My soldiering techniques aren't exactly what you would call "refined." :D
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    I tell ya, my soldering skills are even worse. The vmem mod i tried on the NF7 blew the board sky high. Do you know how much the voltage differs from NP to Pro bios? I will do the mods on this card anyway but it would be nice to know.
  • SimGuySimGuy Ottawa, Canada
    edited October 2003
    AFAIK, core voltage does not change.

    There really is no definitive evidence of a voltage change on the memory between the 9800 NP's and the 9800 Pro's. AFAIK, the 9800 Pro BIOS may ever-so-slightly increase the voltage to the memory to assist in reaching 340 MHz, but nobody has a concrete answer on that.

    As for my soldering skills, I tried to re-connect a northbridge onto a motherboard, as I accidently broke the damned thing right off the board when removing the active cooler I had on top of it. Thank god it was only a VIA MVP3 and not my i875, as all I can say is that instead of soldering the thing back in correctly, it ended up as a keychain :D
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited October 2003
    SimGuy said
    AFAIK, core voltage does not change.

    There really is no definitive evidence of a voltage change on the memory between the 9800 NP's and the 9800 Pro's. AFAIK, the 9800 Pro BIOS may ever-so-slightly increase the voltage to the memory to assist in reaching 340 MHz, but nobody has a concrete answer on that.

    As for my soldering skills, I tried to re-connect a northbridge onto a motherboard, as I accidently broke the damned thing right off the board when removing the active cooler I had on top of it. Thank god it was only a VIA MVP3 and not my i875, as all I can say is that instead of soldering the thing back in correctly, it ended up as a keychain :D

    ;D

    What the hell, more vmods for the people. I want 500+ on the core.
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