The 64 Bit question.

Your-Amish-DaddyYour-Amish-Daddy The heart of Texas
edited November 2004 in Hardware
Ok, I'm about to pick up a Yummeh 64 bit pc, and I need to know a few things, One, reccomended ram, Video card, (I will not use Nvidia trash, because I've had Nvidia products kill computers.) And, if windows 2000 is compatable with the 64 bit goodness.

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  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2004
    A 64bit PC is a hybrid - what you are buying is a 32bit processor that has 64bit extensions that can be enabled if you are running a 64 bit OS with 64bit software. It has to be "pure 64bit" for lack of a better term.

    Windows 2000 will of course run on any 64bit PC that you build/buy, but it will only run in 32bit mode, as will Windows XP. Truth be told, the only true 64bit x86 OS out there right now is linux. Microsoft has a trial version of WinXP 64bit, but it's not a released product yet.

    Recommended RAM? Definitely check your motherboard vendor's website for memory compatibility. I have found RAM incompatibilities with various Athlon64 motherboards. I'm assuming you're going Athlon64. If you are going Opteron, you need registered ECC ram.

    nVidia is actually a good hardware vendor. Their last generation of video cards blew donkey balls compared to what ATI was offering, but for this current generation, nVidia does indeed make the fastest video card, although only by a margin (the 6800 Ultra). If you want ATI, then the best out there is the X800 XT. Of course, all this depends on your budget, since these are both $400-$500 cards.
  • SSR_06SSR_06 Iowa
    edited October 2004
    for recommend ram. i would recommend OCZ 3200 rev2
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-890&depa=1
    i used this in my friends a64 system(socket 754) and it runs very nice. i've heard of people getting 283 fsb with 2*3*3*8 timeings.
  • Memory-RemainsMemory-Remains
    edited October 2004
    Depending on the board decide what ram is best, but basically..he's right OCZ is kick ass.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2004
    OCZ is indeed nice, but for example, I had OCZ PC4000 gold EL 512x2 and it was totally incompatible with the Asus A8V. Double-sided DIMMs sometimes have incompatibilities with A64 mobos. One stick worked fine, but if you added more than one, no POST. Asus confirmed this and their advice to me was "Yep, OCZ is incompatible with this board. You should have checked our approved vendor list". So all I am saying is, be aware that some memory may be incompatible with your board, and you should investigate it before you buy it. :)
  • ZuntarZuntar North Carolina Icrontian
    edited October 2004
    I'm a Mushkin man but Prime is right, DON"T buy ram that isn't in the "approved vendor list" or in several other peoples rigs and has the OK. (still iffy that way, but probly OK)
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited October 2004
    muskin or Corsair. I myself use kingston but Those two are the best
  • SSR_06SSR_06 Iowa
    edited October 2004
    i would do what primesuspect said. make sure that its compatable with your board first. the board that was used on my friends system was a Epox 8kda3+ and it runs nice. even comes with very nice heat spreaders(thats $5 lol)
  • Your-Amish-DaddyYour-Amish-Daddy The heart of Texas
    edited October 2004
    Well, Since there is no NT based perminent 64 bit OS, I think I'm just gonna bid for an XP3200. On a side note; Do you guys know anything about the LGA 775?
  • rapturerapture
    edited October 2004
    Er, Win Xp 64 which for the time being is free?

    That CPU will also run all 32 bit apps and operating systems too.
  • lordbeanlordbean Ontario, Canada
    edited October 2004
    LGA775 pretty much sucks... 478/AGP systems are just as good. I really hate the prescott core personally.
  • Your-Amish-DaddyYour-Amish-Daddy The heart of Texas
    edited October 2004
    I understand that the 64bit will run 32bit. But I fucking hate XP. I hate it more than I hate homeless people who spit on my car. XP is just 2k with an intergrated firewall, a crappy picture viewer that you can't turn off, and less stability.
  • rapturerapture
    edited October 2004
    Oh I dunno, I've had to use both XP and 2k quite a lot in the last 3 years and honestly prefer XP. You would always run 2000 though if you really want to...
  • lordbeanlordbean Ontario, Canada
    edited October 2004
    XP and 2000 are the same OS... even if a driver says it's only for XP, chances are it works fine on 2000, and vice versa. The XP core, however, was built with gaming / media usage in mind, and is somewhat more optimized in that sense than the 2000 core is.
  • Your-Amish-DaddyYour-Amish-Daddy The heart of Texas
    edited October 2004
    Ok, I noticed that the Athalon64 has a 1600mhz fsb, how does that relate compared to a 266?
  • phlipphlip hell
    edited October 2004
    The hypertransport bus allow the cpu to directly communicate with the vid card without having to go through the north bridge first.....as for the memory bus that 400mhz and thats much faster than 266....hyper transport 1600mhz simply eliminates the bottle knecks of the mobo. also the cpu can directly acces the ram and transport its signal faster aswell.
  • Your-Amish-DaddyYour-Amish-Daddy The heart of Texas
    edited October 2004
    Ok, so that's like putting in a fourbarrel on a 454 windsor. AMD 64 it is. Also, do you guys reccomend a specific cooler?
  • phlipphlip hell
    edited October 2004
    If your gonna not gonna overclock just use the oem heatsink.. but i heard alot of good things about the coolermaster hyper 6.
  • ramdexramdex Tucson
    edited October 2004
    lordbean wrote:
    XP and 2000 are the same OS... even if a driver says it's only for XP, chances are it works fine on 2000, and vice versa. The XP core, however, was built with gaming / media usage in mind, and is somewhat more optimized in that sense than the 2000 core is.


    Haha yes that is true. I shared a printer from a machine with win2k and the xp computers didn't care at all. personaly i don't mind both xp or 2k. I must also mention I use the "classic windows" theme on xp so maybe i like 2k more but for stability I think xp is far more stable then 2k but im sure there is another thread to argue this.
  • lordbeanlordbean Ontario, Canada
    edited November 2004
    I've found that if Win2k crashes, it recovers itself FAR more often than XP does. I'm not saying XP crashes a lot, I've just noticed that when it does, it's often more fatal than a crash on 2000 is.
  • ramdexramdex Tucson
    edited November 2004
    hmmm, I can believe that but I havent had too many xp crashes that never recovered.
  • adhamadham Ft Bragg, NC
    edited November 2004
    Actually the 1600Mhz HTT (2000 for K8T800Pro) is the speed which the cpu communicates with the memory. It does bypass the northbridge because the memory controller is built into the cpu, not the northbridge. I have had 3 different A64 boards: Abit KV8 Max 3 with 2x512Mb Mushkin PC3500 2-2-2-6. I am running an AV8 now with a gig of Corsair PC3200XL pro, and I also have an Asus A8V with a gig of Corsair PC4000 Pro. It really all depends on your mobo just like everybody is saying. I have never had trouble with Corsair memory though, so I go with what I know.
  • adhamadham Ft Bragg, NC
    edited November 2004
    The Swiftech 6400-V is a great heatsink and keeps my FX-53 (OC'd to 2.5Ghz) cool and happy.
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