MS - WGA program

e-natione-nation state college, pa
edited August 2005 in Science & Tech
more info here.

What do you think of MS's new Windows Genuine Advantage program? I downloaded an XP update today and clicked install before i realized what i was doing-- not that it matters really, but it encouraged me to do a little research (emphasis on "a little"... hehe). Looks like updates are no longer going to be available for MS OS users unless you let MS software dig into your OS and validate it as "genuine" so it can store a "key" on your system. sounds shady to me.

your opinions? comments?

anyone used their "genuine" validation yet? i've seen it on some d/l's for a while now.

Comments

  • kryystkryyst Ontario, Canada
    edited August 2005
    I think it's a pain in the ass. I've gone through it for a M$ windows update and it worked for my copy. However there are ways around it.
  • e-natione-nation state college, pa
    edited August 2005
    let me clarify what i'm hearing...
    are you saying that your OS validity was, as anyone's could be, in question? and when you allowed win-update to check, it validated as genuine?

    and what of this "way around it"?

    i'm thinking-- perhaps it's time to check out linux once and for all!
    comments?
  • edited August 2005
    I cant blame them for it. People want a free OS with free updates then bitch when Microsoft threaten to take it away from em.

    They have every right to protect the software they sell. Nobody has ever been forced to use it.
  • HawkHawk Fla Icrontian
    edited August 2005
    rapture wrote:
    I cant blame them for it. People want a free OS with free updates then bitch when Microsoft threaten to take it away from em.

    They have every right to protect the software they sell. Nobody has ever been forced to use it.

    True, It's theirs to protect.
    That said, They could sell it a hell of a lot cheaper so most could afford buying a copy for each of their pc's.
    They would still make millions upon millions and people wouldn't be so inclined to make hot copies of it.
    And then MS wouldn't be spending all that money on checking copyright infringement.
    And in the end-- Everyone, Including all schools would have pc's with Windows on them if they would only make it more affordable.
    That's what Bill stated that he wanted for the world..... A pc with windows on it in every home, school, business to connect the world together.
    I'm going to learn linux myself. I think Win XP home & pro are the last MS products I'll ever buy. Each new version MS puts out is more expensive.
  • edited August 2005
    I bought an OEM copy of XP Home a month before its release for £65. Thats about the price of 2 PC games.

    Its the best £65 I've ever spent on my PC and I dont think thats an excessive amount of money at all. XP Pro OEM is now abound £80. Price of 2 console games.
  • kryystkryyst Ontario, Canada
    edited August 2005
    e-nation wrote:
    let me clarify what i'm hearing...
    are you saying that your OS validity was, as anyone's could be, in question? and when you allowed win-update to check, it validated as genuine?

    and what of this "way around it"?

    i'm thinking-- perhaps it's time to check out linux once and for all!
    comments?


    That's what I'm saying.

    For some interesting reading check here.

    http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/28/microsoft_genuine_ad.html

    I have it on good authority that it works. As to how long it will work, that I don't know.

    I'd go full linux, but it still doesn't offer me enough in the DVD-mastering software so it just doesn't do what I need it to yet. Though, it's getting closer. As it sits I'll keep windows around since the patches now are just security fixes and honestly I'm not worried about my system at all since I have enough other measures in place to keep my rig locked down. But next year when the Mac86's come out I'll be making the jump it'll be time for a good hardware update anyway. Might as well get a much better OS while I'm at it since I'm certainly not jumping to Longhorn.
  • e-natione-nation state college, pa
    edited August 2005
    i'd like to pose a rhetorical question:
    why don't we see other software products storing "keys" on our machines?

    regarding being "forced to use it", what if we purchased our systems "used", not knowing what the previous owner might have done regarding the OS. and then we find that it's "invalid", or if we've purchased it "new" and find that the validity the builder's OS was in question?
  • kryystkryyst Ontario, Canada
    edited August 2005
    e-nation wrote:
    i'd like to pose a rhetorical question:
    why don't we see other software products storing "keys" on our machines?

    regarding being "forced to use it", what if we purchased our systems "used", not knowing what the previous owner might have done regarding the OS. and then we find that it's "invalid", or if we've purchased it "new" and find that the validity the builder's OS was in question?


    Other software products do use key's it's nothing new they are just serial numbers. The diff being winblows is now keeping a list of valid serial numbers when you update that's all.

    As for your other question - sucks to be you. The legal side of it is if you purchase a system with a pre-installed OS they must give you the CD for the OS .
  • ZuntarZuntar North Carolina Icrontian
    edited August 2005
    Got this info today......

    Hackers Crack Genuine Advantage

    The new anti-piracy program, Genuine Advantage, that Microsoft implemented to scan computers to determine if their copy of the OS is a legal one before allowing downloads, has apparently already been hacked. There's a simple JavaScript that can be pasted into the address bar on the browser before the system scan that will fool it into thinking the copy of the OS on the system is a genuine one. You can read more about it here:
    http://www.wxpnews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=050802TI-Genuine_Advantage
  • kryystkryyst Ontario, Canada
    edited August 2005
    Or you can just go to the link I posted and grab the java script directly :)
  • ZuntarZuntar North Carolina Icrontian
    edited August 2005
    kryyst wrote:
    Or you can just go to the link I posted and grab the java script directly :)
    Sorry, me no clicky linky before posty.:D
  • e-natione-nation state college, pa
    edited August 2005
    kryyst, re: your comment about the serials... i thought for sure the MS article mentioned that the process plants a key on your system if it finds your OS to be valid. maybe i misinterpreted that bit.

    not that there aren't already myriad ways to identify someone the moment he or she goes online. it's often fun to just play the cynic. we've probably all been guilty of it at least once or twice. hehe.
    :shoot:
  • e-natione-nation state college, pa
    edited August 2005
    oh... one more quick inquiry on this subject. does anyone know what happens if the MS active x scan finds an OS to be pirated?

    is the pirate OS user then simply denied the update, or is there more to it?
  • kryystkryyst Ontario, Canada
    edited August 2005
    e-nation wrote:
    kryyst, re: your comment about the serials... i thought for sure the MS article mentioned that the process plants a key on your system if it finds your OS to be valid. maybe i misinterpreted that bit.

    not that there aren't already myriad ways to identify someone the moment he or she goes online. it's often fun to just play the cynic. we've probably all been guilty of it at least once or twice. hehe.
    :shoot:


    No it drops a file on your system that allows you to bipass further authentication checks, well until they decide they want further authentication. It only checks to see if that flag is on when you go to do an update. Not at any other time so it's not like they are tracking you or anything.
  • kryystkryyst Ontario, Canada
    edited August 2005
    e-nation wrote:
    oh... one more quick inquiry on this subject. does anyone know what happens if the MS active x scan finds an OS to be pirated?

    is the pirate OS user then simply denied the update, or is there more to it?

    You are denied the update and then you get a blurb about how if you have an invalid code you should check with the retailer blah, blah, blah piracy is wrong etc...etc... if you have any questions call 1-800...etc...etc...

    If however you do the little java trick you can get the updates.

    Oh I should mention it's only blocking you from further software patches and not security updates. Those are still attainable even with a bad serial number.
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