Brand new 52x Lite On takes forever, think it's RAID related.

edited December 2003 in Hardware
Once I setup my RAID 0 set up I tried burning a CD with my old 52x Liteon Drive. It took forever to burn and the buffer was fluxing up and down continuously. I assumed it was the burner seeing that my 48x went bad after awhile prior to it and the fact that I just finished burning copious amounts of data disks.

I just put in my new 52x Liteon and tryed burning a cd that is about half full, it took a little over 4 minutes. The buffer fluxed a ton again and my computer became more or less unusable while it was burning. Would reinstalling Nero result in anything? I should also note that I'm 99% sure that it's not my cd's. I'm using TDK's from 3 different spindles with the same result. They're rated at 48x and have worked perfectly prior to the raid setup. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks-DaK


Here's a pic of the cd when it finished burning. Note the amount of data (it's a music cd) and the amount of time it took. I burned this at 48x.

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  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2003
    Sounds like a PIO burner to me!

    That burner should be on UDAMA 2. You can check this by going into your device manager, then selecting the IDE controller on which the burner resides and checking to see if it is in fact on DMA mode.

    To do this, right click on my computer, go to properties, then clicking the hardware tab, then clicking the device manager button, then going to IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers.

    Select primary or secondary channels, then click the advanced settings tab..

    Under transfer mode, it should say "DMA if available" and it should say "Current transfer mode: UDMA 2" or something similar to this.
  • edited November 2003
    I had the same issue a month ago, and what Thrax said was the solution.
  • edited November 2003
    Check out this screenie, this is the same for all 4 IDE controller (2 primary and 2 secondary). Any ideas?
  • edited November 2003
    Scratch that, I lied. The 2nd Secondary IDE controller was PIO only. Gonna try burning a cd now.
  • edited November 2003
    Just tryed burning a cd and it still didn't work right. After I changed the settings I rebooted and this is still how it comes up:

    Any ideas?
  • EQuitoEQuito SoCal, USA
    edited November 2003
    There is something wrong with your setup because there should be only one of each channel not 2.
    Boot in safe mode and delete the "ghost" channels or delete them all and install updated IDE drivers.
  • edited November 2003
    EQuito had this to say
    There is something wrong with your setup because there should be only one of each channel not 2.
    Boot in safe mode and delete the "ghost" channels or delete them all and install updated IDE drivers.

    How do I know which channel is a 'ghost' channel and which is the real channel?
  • EQuitoEQuito SoCal, USA
    edited November 2003
    AFAIK, there is no sure way to tell which one is the ghost so I usually delete the second set.
    Like I said, you could use updated drivers so just delete them all and install newer drivers.

    btw: XP will revert back to PIO mode everytime it detects errors during burning. I know there is a registry fix for that but I don't have a link, sorry...
  • edited December 2003
    EQuito had this to say
    AFAIK, there is no sure way to tell which one is the ghost so I usually delete the second set.
    Like I said, you could use updated drivers so just delete them all and install newer drivers.

    btw: XP will revert back to PIO mode everytime it detects errors during burning. I know there is a registry fix for that but I don't have a link, sorry...

    Unfortunately I don't have my mobo drivers disk here (I'm at school) and there aren't any IDE controller drivers on Abit's site that I saw.
  • EQuitoEQuito SoCal, USA
    edited December 2003
    ftp://ftp.abit.com.tw/pub/download/drivers/ic7/

    I don't have your board so I'm not sure which one is it but I'd bet is the .inf one.
  • edited December 2003
    So I should boot into safe mode, delete the ide channels, and then run the setup?
  • JBJB Carlsbad, CA
    edited December 2003
    is DMA mode enabled in the bios?
  • edited December 2003
    Radeon_Man had this to say
    is DMA mode enabled in the bios?

    Nevermind. Long day :cool:. Lemme check.
  • edited December 2003
    Yes it is enabled.
    Radeon_Man had this to say
    is DMA mode enabled in the bios?

    I just remembered that those 2 extra IDE channels were created when I flashed my bios. During the boot sequence at the very beginning they're there as well.
  • EQuitoEQuito SoCal, USA
    edited December 2003
    dak125 had this to say
    So I should boot into safe mode, delete the ide channels, and then run the setup?

    If you're going to install the new drivers there is no need to boot in safe mode. Just delete them, reboot and XP will find them again and try to install them. At that point you can stop XP from doing so and do it manually by pointing XP in the direction of the new drivers or let XP install old ones and update them on the next reboot.
  • EQuitoEQuito SoCal, USA
    edited December 2003
    I just remembered that those 2 extra IDE channels were created when I flashed my bios. During the boot sequence at the very beginning they're there as well.

    Well..., I don't know what to tell you. Your board has only two IDE channels so there should be only two detected during boot and only two in device manager.

    Good luck!
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    No IDE RAID, even on a card added on???

    This would give XP thinking that two sets are needed, one set for RAID use as it handles VOLUMES as logicals to IDE channels for IDe RAID. Did you use SATA adaptors on IDE drives or something like that, or not run SATA drivers in if not???

    90% max of rated speed is about right if you have RAM limited AT ALL and run RAID and it is active while burning. One of the side things about RAID use. If you are using volume management, you are RAM buffering soft RAID, also, implicitly. This will limit the buffer used by the program in RAM. Fluxes down to 75-80% are common in a very high end brunder if RAM is at all limited or underspeced. Fluxes for alive rip burn may also be limited by the ripping drive's ability to feed data, try ripping from old Liteon to new one and see how stable it is fi an older CDR or DVD is used as rip source. If not, see if HD to Liteon burn after image create helps a bunch as to fluxes at same speed, if so increase RAM amount on mobo. This last strategy is how I get 233 MHz computers to burn at 8X.

    John.
  • edited December 2003
    I don't think I understood a lot of what you posted. I have a RAID Card that my 2 IDE Drives are plugged into. I'll try burning from my DVD drive to my Burner and see what happens.

    I uninstalled all the Ide channels twice. The first time after reboot Windows installed everything automatically. The 2nd time I didn't reboot and just used the setup from the IC7 driver download. It installed everything and rebooted and there are still 4 IDE channels and it's still only in the PIO mode. Any ideas?
  • EQuitoEQuito SoCal, USA
    edited December 2003
    dak125 had this to say
    I don't think I understood a lot of what you posted. I have a RAID Card that my 2 IDE Drives are plugged into.
    Don't worry, most people don't understand him either... :D
    The fact that you have a RAID card makes things a bit more complicated and you should've said so from the start but still, it's not right to have 4 channels.
    XP does not detect RAID cards as IDE, they show up as SCSI devices so I still think something is wrong.
    Anyway, not much more I can do here so I'm out and you're welcome btw... :rolleyes:
  • edited December 2003
    EQuito had this to say
    dak125 had this to say
    I don't think I understood a lot of what you posted. I have a RAID Card that my 2 IDE Drives are plugged into.
    Don't worry, most people don't understand him either... :D
    The fact that you have a RAID card makes things a bit more complicated and you should've said so from the start but still, it's not right to have 4 channels.
    XP does not detect RAID cards as IDE, they show up as SCSI devices so I still think something is wrong.
    Anyway, not much more I can do here so I'm out and you're welcome btw... :rolleyes:

    I was planning on thanking everyone once it was resolved...but thanks :thumbsup:.

    Anyways I tried burning from my DVD drive to my burner with the same effect. The buffer was fluxing a lot and it took quite a bit of time. Tomorrow I think I'm going to change the actual IDE channel that my burner/DVD drive are on. Perhaps that would make a diff.
  • edited December 2003
    This is what I've tried so far today.

    1) Changed which IDE channel the DVD/Burner were on. Didn't work.
    2) Switched the Burner to secondary and the DVD to master. I could not switch it from PIO to DMA but it still is stuck in PIO.

    In my bios it asks what mode of PIO I want for both primary and secondary, anyone know which one I want? Thanks in advance.
  • edited December 2003
    I also flashed my bios to the most current (18). Anyone have any idea at all? I'm open to anything at this point. Thanks much.
  • edited December 2003
    Problem solved. I had to disable SATA, a guy from the Abit forums informed me. Thanks for the help guys.
  • CreepCreep Hell Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Well how long does it take now? I have the same burnner and I can produce CD's of 700MB's in around 2 mins.....
  • edited December 2003
    Creep had this to say
    Well how long does it take now? I have the same burnner and I can produce CD's of 700MB's in around 2 mins.....

    Same for me. I burn audio at 48x, data at 52x.
  • CreepCreep Hell Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    I just picked up some new Sony CD-R's and I'm now experencing the same problem you are. Since it worked fine with the other CD's, I feel these CD's suxorz teh big one!
  • edited December 2003
    Does your board have a SATA controller and is it in use? Try disabling it.
  • CreepCreep Hell Icrontian
    edited December 2003
    Nope, just EIDE RAID, wich I can't disable and my CD-Rom isn't on one of those channels anyway. I'm pretty sure it's the CD's. I didn't have any probelms untill I got these CD's.
  • edited December 2003
    Creep had this to say
    Nope, just EIDE RAID, wich I can't disable and my CD-Rom isn't on one of those channels anyway. I'm pretty sure it's the CD's. I didn't have any probelms untill I got these CD's.

    I always had good luck with Sony CD's. Try getting a disk from a buddy and see what the result is.
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