Tape Drive or Something Else? Please opine.

phuschnickensphuschnickens Beverly Hills, Michigan Member
edited April 2008 in Science & Tech
hey guys,

I work for a small publishing company. We backup the most important files to a PC and create a 31gb file every nite at 3 am (Acronis Software). I take this offsite via external hard drive. I NEED to start archiving the backups (have a backup for 4/1/08; 5/1/08; 6/1/08 etc.) so if I accidentally mess up the external hard drive by setting it on my gigantic electromagnet, I can go back a month.

Now, I have thought about using HD DVDs, or Blu Ray, or Tape or Hard Drives. Can someone please help me with their opinions?

If anybody has any other ideas to help with our backup technique... I'd love to hear it. Thank you!

phu

Comments

  • kryystkryyst Ontario, Canada
    edited April 2008
    A good cheap option is to have a few external drives and cycle them in rotation.

    Alternatively backup to seperate network attached machine that is only acting as a backup server. Have it backup to it in multiple archives then you back the most current image to your external drive and take that home.

    Backing up to optical drives is only a stop gap as you will likely - and quickly exceed the capacity and you don't want to have to start dealing with multiple optical drives per backup and then storing them and what not - just not practical.

    Tape drives will certainly do what you want but know that a typical external drive is going to be in the $1000 range (for your current data needs) but if you look at future scaling you can spend $5000 easy. Then the tapes themselves are in the $30 - $150 range and you'll want a minimum of 12 tapes to do it correctly.
  • stoopidstoopid Albany, NY New
    edited April 2008
    kryyst wrote:
    A good cheap option is to have a few external drives and cycle them in rotation.

    This was the first solution I thought of after reading your problem.

    I work for a medium sized company and previously worked for a 'hired gun' managed services company. All of them are trending away from tape drives whenever possible, due to increased initial cost, media costs, and the inevitible "wtf happened to Acronis/Backup Exec" errors and device problems. It sounds like a couple external drives taken offsite in a cycle would suffice. You could even keep one drive connected at all times for incremental, and do a 2 drive rotation for a weekly full backup done as separate jobs off the incremental's schedule.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited April 2008
    With 1tb externals easily found at even local computers shops, combined with very low prices per gb, externals are the way to go.
  • phuschnickensphuschnickens Beverly Hills, Michigan Member
    edited April 2008
    Assuming I go the external HD route:

    I think there are now two more concerns that a good person backing up would have (I've been a naughty backer upper):

    1) Being sure to consistently follow the backup routine. (Now this will include archiving and taking offsite, putting media in firesafe boxes, locking them, etc.). Do this on a set schedule.

    2) Being sure to consistently verify the data by checking that it exists and can be restored. Do this on a schedule.

    Any ways to easily verify the data besides restoring random files using acronis then open those files using their native program?

    Any good ideas for sticking to a set schedule for something like... bringing a hard drive to work once a month (it's hard enough to do it every Tuesday... I actually trained myself to do it), but to do it the last Tuesday of every month when I wake up at 7:00?!? Then sticking to the schedule of restoring the data and checking it? Sounds difficult.

    Once again, your ideas are appreciated.. Thanks.

    phu
  • kryystkryyst Ontario, Canada
    edited April 2008
    A good backup routine would have you backing up daily - minimum and make sure that that backup is offsite at the end of the day every day.

    As for testing your backups I'd suggest once a month.

    As for verifying the data you have it easy if you are backing up to harddrive. Just run a scan disk on it from time to time - say once a month when you do your test recoveries.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited April 2008
    phuschnickens, will you give yourself an avatar already ;D you've got over 50 posts and you look like a "guest" still :p
  • phuschnickensphuschnickens Beverly Hills, Michigan Member
    edited April 2008
    now i'm a pro
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited April 2008
    Now if we could just get you to post here more often than when you have a question ;D
  • phuschnickensphuschnickens Beverly Hills, Michigan Member
    edited April 2008
    wow, i was wondering how long it would take you to notice. i'm such a guilty guy. now i'll be here daily or something. but i've got a complex. i don't think i know enough to tell people stuff.. i'll probably just call somebody a newb. yo, do you know of any external hd cases that are built for hot swapping sata drives?
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited April 2008
    I don't think there are any external cases for hotswap.
  • phuschnickensphuschnickens Beverly Hills, Michigan Member
    edited April 2008
    anyone that steals my invention will die¡
  • kryystkryyst Ontario, Canada
    edited April 2008
    You can't really hot swap an external drive through a case - you can get fiber attached storage that's full hot swappable though.

    But for you backup drives you don't need anything like that. Just go buy external Harddrives. They are just connecting through USB anyway.
  • phuschnickensphuschnickens Beverly Hills, Michigan Member
    edited April 2008
    okay, you're right.. i made a mistake. I do not want a hot swappable drive... I want an external case that does not require screws and is easy to open. Actually has nothing to do with hot swapping ;) This will allow me to have one external hard drive case with multiple hard drives that I can swap in and out of it.
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