Meanwhile, my Wii failed on me and Nintendo wants $75 to fix it. Whereas when my 360 died, Microsoft was exceptionally head-over-heels to fix it for me, apologizing profusely every step of the process.
And if you'll note from the survey, only 3% of respondents said they wouldn't buy another 360 because of its hardware failures. Sounds like the 360 is a massive success compared to the PS3 if 97% of people are willing to completely ignore this "crippling flaw" and buy another one again.
One thing I see a lot in these pointless Internet console arguments I for some reason participate in are the separate arguments of "this console is good because a lot of people like it" and "this console is bad and I won't buy it."
I'm in the second group. I've got my reasons for not wanting to buy one, but I don't care if anybody else does, or how much they seem content with situations I wouldn't tolerate.
For me, it all comes down to games. I have a blast on all three consoles, so... whatever.
There are games for each that are completely awesome. PS3 exclusives like Flower, Pixeljunk Monsters, the old PS1 library, etc. The 360 arcade is incredible, and the 360 gets the most use in the house because of Netflix on demand. The Wii's virtual console is SUPER epic, and the exclusive properties like Mario, Metroid, and Zelda make it a must.
I dunno; as a real gamer, I think owning all four platforms is a must
We bought a PS3 a little more than a year ago after asking all of the friends of my son about their XBOX 360 experience. All of them (about 5-6) had to send their XBOX for repair, and some of them had done that twice. The funny thing is that all of them highly recommended XBOX 360 over PS3. Snarkasm or Thrax might understand them but I failed (please do not attempt to explain, not interested). I am very happy with the PS3 both as a game console and a media center. We have about 10 games so far and all of them are very much fun. Kids love the LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet and Clank. Uncharted, MGS4 are also very good. I especially like Grand Tourismo and Burnout Paradise. I have upgraded the PS3 harddisk by transferring my laptop's old harddisk, it was such a good saving to upgrade two devices at once. The unified bluetooth interface for all of the peripherals is such an elegant solution and integrated wifi is a must for me. The best thing is that the new PS3, although looks better than the old model, is not an upgrade that I am compelled due to quality improvement. To me, PS3 is the best - a big period. Here, I added my 2c too.
We bought a PS3 a little more than a year ago after asking all of the friends of my son about their XBOX 360 experience. All of them (about 5-6) had to send their XBOX for repair, and some of them had done that twice. The funny thing is that all of them highly recommended XBOX 360 over PS3. Snarkasm or Thrax might understand them but I failed (please do not attempt to explain, not interested). I am very happy with the PS3 both as a game console and a media center. We have about 10 games so far and all of them are very much fun. Kids love the LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet and Clank. Uncharted, MGS4 are also very good. I especially like Grand Tourismo and Burnout Paradise. I have upgraded the PS3 harddisk by transferring my laptop's old harddisk, it was such a good saving to upgrade two devices at once. The unified bluetooth interface for all of the peripherals is such an elegant solution and integrated wifi is a must for me. The best thing is that the new PS3, although looks better than the old model, is not an upgrade that I am compelled due to quality improvement. To me, PS3 is the best - a big period. Here, I added my 2c too.
Same here. A couple of my buddies had a 360. One of my buddies got the Red ring of death. So he bought a new one (I told him to send it in, but he don't listen) and my other buddy had sent his in for a repair before. Still, some people prefer the 360, but I hate waiting. If I had to send my console in for weeks, I would go crazy. So I bought the 40gb ps3 (last year) and put a 320gb 2.5" drive in it.
I too, love my ps3.
I've also read some speculation that the "fix" for the RROD problem was actually just a firmware update that made the RROD not occur under certain circumstances that it previously would have, thus partially fixing the symptom but not the actual problem. Of course, I'm not sure that's 100% accurate but if so... doesn't mean the problem is actually fixed, it just means that Microsoft is trying to screw people out of having to repair it. Either way, a 16% failure rate is epic, and not in a good way. I don't even play console games that much but I'd be pissed if I had to send mine in and wait for weeks to get it back.
Getting back ON topic... Does anyone know if the PS3 handles disk switching for PS1 titles properly? I tried playing MGS on my PS2 but it doesn't handle the disk swap right so I can only play through the 1st disk. Made me very sad.
The actual fix for the RRoD is a stronger backplate to prevent warping and a better heatsink to funnel the heat away faster (therefore also preventing warping). I don't believe a firmware fix was involved.
I've been very happy with the PS3, excluding the removal of PS1 and PS2 compatability. Caveat Emptor, in my case. I should have done better research and ensure the model we got had that feature.
Meanwhile, my Wii failed on me and Nintendo wants $75 to fix it. Whereas when my 360 died, Microsoft was exceptionally head-over-heels to fix it for me, apologizing profusely every step of the process.
Class legal action is why Brian. Nintendo produced a quality product and did nothing to intentionally deceive the public, thus they are entitled to their repair fee on the rare instance that a wii tanks outside of warranty.
Brian, I remember seeing several store displays for the launch 360 failing inside of the first month, and I would think, perhaps it just needs to air out bit instead of being encased in that hard display plastic, hell, even clerks thought that was the issue, that is, until just about every unit they sold fell back on their laps right in Feb or so after the first Christmas launch.
Microsoft is doing the right thing now, but don't think they are doing it because they love you, they are doing it because they have to at this point. Everyone is aware that they knowingly sold the public a lemon and now they are paying the price, as they should.
What? "Intentionally deceive the public," "knowingly sold the public a lemon"? What are you saying, Cliff?
Get your conspiracy theories out of legitimate threads. It was an engineering mistake that wasn't time-tested, not an intentionally-created hardware fault designed so they could take a ten billion dollar loss and extend the warranties out to three years.
Does anyone know if the PS3 handles disk switching for PS1 titles properly? I tried playing MGS on my PS2 but it doesn't handle the disk swap right so I can only play through the 1st disk. Made me very sad.
I checked Sony's site and it does not address this issue but I found several forums that say you can.
What the fuck, "intentionally deceive the public," "knowingly sold the public a lemon"? What in the goddamn hell are you smoking, Cliff?
Get your conspiracy bullshit out of legitimate threads. It was an engineering mistake that wasn't time-tested, not an intentionally-created hardware fault designed so they could take a ten billion dollar loss and extend the warranties out to three years.
I mean Jesus Christ. What the fuck, Cliff?
One yellow flag on the field Snark. One can be direct while remaining civil. Let me add please, Jesus games on PC, lets not bring him into this.
If you would have politely asked me I would have guided you to one of many journalistic exposes that site Microsoft sources that knew that the original design was not battle tested, and destined to failure. Once again Snark, one for six, thats what I am batting on Xbox 360 units. One of those units was a model manufactured in 2008 and it has failed like four others prior.
Read below, and before you blast me if you would like I could find about a half dozen more of these, in fact I am familiar of a report where a former Microsoft engineer blew the whistle. They were selling lemons at launch, that is not debatable, weather they knew or not you might argue about, I honestly think they did, and if anyone were to dig hard enough they could probably prove it and it would be a class action nightmare as big as the 3 yr. warranty extension without the appearance of doing the right thing. Of course the right thing would have been to delay launch and serve the public a product that was not a hunk of junk.
Snark, companies don't extend warranty terms out of the blue just because they love their customers. You know, that real world you are always reminding me about
Note that I've never said they extended the warranty because they loved their customers - they extended the warranty because they realized it was a manufacturing or design defect.
Apologies, but mirage, two of your sources point to the same story as Cliff's, and Cliff's link involves no actual facts that I can see - it's just Mr. Takahashi saying things as if they're true with no firsthand accounts to back those up. Mirage, your third looks more promising, but even the writer doesn't sound like he particularly believes in the source.
If you can find the report from an actual Microsoft employee that spoke up to people before launch and alerted them to the possibility of an RRoD issue, I will apologize even more profusely. Maybe it's just one of those situations where, in hindsight, I can't imagine a company willingly putting out something that was going to lose them billions of dollars down the line... maybe at the beginning they didn't think it was going to last as long as it did. I don't know, but the way it came out of your fingers, Cliff, you managed to make it sound like MS knew, without a doubt, that the RRoD would wreck everybody and put it out anyway - and without a first-party source, I can't honestly believe that.
Last response redacted for poor manners. Apologies to all, I just got temperamental for a minute. Everybody knows Cliff brings out the best in me.
November 22, 2005 was the official launch date for the 360. Nearly FOUR YEARS have past and not only have defects been a constant, but also more alarmingly frequent.
I'm sorry, but I can see no reason why anyone would defend Microsoft for developing such piss poor hardware that is devoid of any quality assurance. Passion is one of the things that makes this industry great, but come on. Worship great products, not the companies that make them.
I find it most likely that their lawyers and engineers decided it would be cheaper to replace consoles for X period of time rather than redesign the consoles immediately (I don't know if it actually was cheaper that way, and it's hard to factor in any potential damage to their corporate image into cost). If true, that's essentially public deception (whether the fault was found before launch or if it became apparent soon afterwards).
Anyone else tired of the Console vs. PC and PS3 vs. Xbox 360 debates that seem to have been going on at an increasing rate over the last couple weeks? You're not going to convince each other.
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I'd just like to make a note that the mere 16% rate for the 360 is over five times the rate for the PS3 and Wii.
One thing I see a lot in these pointless Internet console arguments I for some reason participate in are the separate arguments of "this console is good because a lot of people like it" and "this console is bad and I won't buy it."
I'm in the second group. I've got my reasons for not wanting to buy one, but I don't care if anybody else does, or how much they seem content with situations I wouldn't tolerate.
There are games for each that are completely awesome. PS3 exclusives like Flower, Pixeljunk Monsters, the old PS1 library, etc. The 360 arcade is incredible, and the 360 gets the most use in the house because of Netflix on demand. The Wii's virtual console is SUPER epic, and the exclusive properties like Mario, Metroid, and Zelda make it a must.
I dunno; as a real gamer, I think owning all four platforms is a must
Same here. A couple of my buddies had a 360. One of my buddies got the Red ring of death. So he bought a new one (I told him to send it in, but he don't listen) and my other buddy had sent his in for a repair before. Still, some people prefer the 360, but I hate waiting. If I had to send my console in for weeks, I would go crazy. So I bought the 40gb ps3 (last year) and put a 320gb 2.5" drive in it.
I too, love my ps3.
Getting back ON topic... Does anyone know if the PS3 handles disk switching for PS1 titles properly? I tried playing MGS on my PS2 but it doesn't handle the disk swap right so I can only play through the 1st disk. Made me very sad.
Class legal action is why Brian. Nintendo produced a quality product and did nothing to intentionally deceive the public, thus they are entitled to their repair fee on the rare instance that a wii tanks outside of warranty.
Brian, I remember seeing several store displays for the launch 360 failing inside of the first month, and I would think, perhaps it just needs to air out bit instead of being encased in that hard display plastic, hell, even clerks thought that was the issue, that is, until just about every unit they sold fell back on their laps right in Feb or so after the first Christmas launch.
Microsoft is doing the right thing now, but don't think they are doing it because they love you, they are doing it because they have to at this point. Everyone is aware that they knowingly sold the public a lemon and now they are paying the price, as they should.
I still like playing Castle Crashers and Marvel vs. Capcom II on the Xbox Live Arcade though
Get your conspiracy theories out of legitimate threads. It was an engineering mistake that wasn't time-tested, not an intentionally-created hardware fault designed so they could take a ten billion dollar loss and extend the warranties out to three years.
I mean really.
I checked Sony's site and it does not address this issue but I found several forums that say you can.
See this too
http://gizmodo.com/5046314/the-shocking-inside-story-of-the-epic-defects-that-killed-millions-of-xbox-360s
And another
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2008/jan/22/thexbox360failurestheinsi
One yellow flag on the field Snark. One can be direct while remaining civil. Let me add please, Jesus games on PC, lets not bring him into this.
If you would have politely asked me I would have guided you to one of many journalistic exposes that site Microsoft sources that knew that the original design was not battle tested, and destined to failure. Once again Snark, one for six, thats what I am batting on Xbox 360 units. One of those units was a model manufactured in 2008 and it has failed like four others prior.
Read below, and before you blast me if you would like I could find about a half dozen more of these, in fact I am familiar of a report where a former Microsoft engineer blew the whistle. They were selling lemons at launch, that is not debatable, weather they knew or not you might argue about, I honestly think they did, and if anyone were to dig hard enough they could probably prove it and it would be a class action nightmare as big as the 3 yr. warranty extension without the appearance of doing the right thing. Of course the right thing would have been to delay launch and serve the public a product that was not a hunk of junk.
Snark, companies don't extend warranty terms out of the blue just because they love their customers. You know, that real world you are always reminding me about
http://games.venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/
Apologies, but mirage, two of your sources point to the same story as Cliff's, and Cliff's link involves no actual facts that I can see - it's just Mr. Takahashi saying things as if they're true with no firsthand accounts to back those up. Mirage, your third looks more promising, but even the writer doesn't sound like he particularly believes in the source.
If you can find the report from an actual Microsoft employee that spoke up to people before launch and alerted them to the possibility of an RRoD issue, I will apologize even more profusely. Maybe it's just one of those situations where, in hindsight, I can't imagine a company willingly putting out something that was going to lose them billions of dollars down the line... maybe at the beginning they didn't think it was going to last as long as it did. I don't know, but the way it came out of your fingers, Cliff, you managed to make it sound like MS knew, without a doubt, that the RRoD would wreck everybody and put it out anyway - and without a first-party source, I can't honestly believe that.
Last response redacted for poor manners. Apologies to all, I just got temperamental for a minute. Everybody knows Cliff brings out the best in me.
I'm sorry, but I can see no reason why anyone would defend Microsoft for developing such piss poor hardware that is devoid of any quality assurance. Passion is one of the things that makes this industry great, but come on. Worship great products, not the companies that make them.
I think we can all work with that.
Sea pig.