Hey now, the graphics in WoW can be turned up high enough to put a good load on even a 4870, I have one. Just because WoW is 5 years old, don't assume it can't have high graphics demands.
It doesn't have a high graphics demand. World of Warcraft is almost entirely CPU-limited. You can double the speed of your GPU and only improve WoW's performance by 10%. Blizzard decided to do this precisely because the vast majority of WoW's players use terrible GPUs that are mated to halfway decent processors.
It doesn't have a high graphics demand. World of Warcraft is almost entirely CPU-limited. You can double the speed of your GPU and only improve WoW's performance by 10%. Blizzard decided to do this precisely because the vast majority of WoW's players use terrible GPUs that are mated to halfway decent processors.
For proof of this, visit Dalaran during primetime on your server. Set your graphics to minimum, 800x600. Get a feel for your framerate. Then, set your graphics to full-blown, whatever your maximum resolution is. I'd be surprised if you see ANY difference in your framerate.
"Ultimately, we believe the card is best suited for people with grand home theatre aspirations, or little desire to run demanding AAA titles. This is for your little sister when she plays the Sims, or the masses who play World of Warcraft with terrible integrated GPUs. The performance just isn’t there for much else."
This statement is not fair to the card, especialy when you consider its $129 entry point, the 5770 at $175 does not seem to be positioned as well, but for $129, the 5750 is a solid video card for gamers with tight budgets. At medium resolutions with high settings enabled this thing still is faster than your monitor's refresh rate on a many modern titles. Saying its only good for the Sims 2 and WOW is misleading.
This card will get you where you need to be on many modern games for just $129. Is it going to chew up Crysis at 1080P with AA enabled, no, but most games it will perform at skip free frame rates. Is it future proof, no, is it a great upgrade for some, sure, could a budget minded gamer select it as his weapon of choice? I don't see why not. The proof is here, here and here.
Simply stated, there is not a game on the market that the 5750 won't play. Are there games you will have to compromise some resolution and detail settings on, yeah, sure, maybe enough to count on both my hands, but for $129 this is going to represent a fair value to allot of gamers that want DX11 on a shoestring budget. Saying its only effective for WOW and Sims 2 is insulting to the product.
Apparently "price/performance" arguments only work when they support AMD.
No, we are not talking price performance, we are talking about the actual capability of the card, which you said was relegated to games like the Sims and WOW. I did not write it, you did, and, lets be real, that's not giving the 5750 a fair shake.
Could someone argue a GTX260 is a better value, or argue they are better served by just holding on to their 9800 GT, sure, I don't knock that argument, I'm just saying, the 5750 is good for a hell of allot more than home theater and WOW.
Looking at the reviews Cliff linked to, HD5750 seems to be on par with GTS250 (and also its direct competitor HD4850). That is a very capable performance level. And, I would definitely pick HD5750 out of those to play even Crysis at a decent quality. If it can also play COD-MW2, who can ask more.
*Ahem* My HD 4850, which goes for about $30 less than the HD 5750, plays Crysis at 1080P with a combination of high and very high settings smoothly. Most graphics cards these days are just pure overkill. I still say the HD 4850 is the best deal available.
I too have a HD4850 running at 850/1200 and it is the best value for me too since I already have it. Do you think it will also run COD-MW2? I am really hoping so.
I too have a HD4850 running at 850/1200 and it is the best value for me too since I already have it. Do you think it will also run COD-MW2? I am really hoping so.
On the highest settings at 40+ fps, most definitely.
I can see the value part of the argument. If you have a 48xx or a 9800 does it make sense to buy this $129 part just to have DX11, would you be better served to save a little more to get into the enthusiast performance bracket which now starts with the 5850 at $259. All fair things to think about in the value equation. But....
Gentlemen, we are all in agreement that saying the 5750 is only good enough to play the Sims 2 on your little sisters computer is an unfair statement, agreed?
My sister would be very happy to have a HD5750 for sure but I would keep it for myself. Slap an AC Accelero S1, add a voltmod, and overclock it to the limit, oh yeah
More comments based on the above comments. I get tired of reviews that make a big deal out of how one GPU uses 11 watts les than some other GPU, like that 11 watts is gonna save the planet or knock $100 off your power bill.
And for home theaters, it seemes ridiculous to use anything less than the current top end GPU available. If you can afford a home theater system you can scrape up an extra $100 for the best available GPU.
The 5750 is an amazing HTPC card. H.264, MPEG2, VC-1 and MPEG4 offloading, audio bitstreaming, low power requirements, small size, great drivers, an HDMI port, 1080p support... There has never been a better discrete GPU. It's perfect for HTPCs.
Yeah, it's perfect for HTPCs. That doesn't mean it's ONLY for HTPCs though. Seems to me like it's a pretty capable card all around yet you're knocking it as only good for HTPCs or something to replace onboard graphics and nothing else.
You pick a game, and I'll show you four video cards that not only perform better, but offer a better value while doing it. Pick any title. Pick a DirectX 11 title, and there's still a video card with better price/performance than this.
So, if a value card doesn't even excel at the only job it was given, what does that make it? Certainly not a product that a gamer concerned about their performance should drop their money on.
What's left? Oh right, people who just want to game and don't care much about performance.
The 5750 is an amazing HTPC card. H.264, MPEG2, VC-1 and MPEG4 offloading, audio bitstreaming, low power requirements, small size, great drivers, an HDMI port, 1080p support... There has never been a better discrete GPU. It's perfect for HTPCs.
Agreement. This seems like a gorgeous card for an HTPC. Could possibly even get away with passive cooling on it - zero decibels for the win.
As for the card's value per dollar, it may perform decently, but if you're going after the card over an HD4850 or a GTS250 simply because it supports DirectX 11, then you affirm you want to play AAA titles with it, making the card a bad choice in the first place. Get an HD5870, or at the very least an HD5850.
You pick a game, and I'll show you four video cards that not only perform better, but offer a better value while doing it. Pick any title. Pick a DirectX 11 title, and there's still a video card with better price/performance than this.
So, if a value card doesn't even excel at the only job it was given, what does that make it? Certainly not a product that a gamer concerned about their performance should drop their money on.
What's left? Oh right, people who just want to game and don't care much about performance.
But to be clear, it does play games other than your little sisters copy of Sims 2.
Your paying a $20 premium to be the first kid on the block with DX11 capable hardware with low power requirements a thermals. Some will see value in that, others won't, at $129 the 5750 is still a square deal. Is it the absolute best deal for some gamers, maybe, maybe not, but saying the card can't game is just misinformation. It's not the case.
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For proof of this, visit Dalaran during primetime on your server. Set your graphics to minimum, 800x600. Get a feel for your framerate. Then, set your graphics to full-blown, whatever your maximum resolution is. I'd be surprised if you see ANY difference in your framerate.
This statement is not fair to the card, especialy when you consider its $129 entry point, the 5770 at $175 does not seem to be positioned as well, but for $129, the 5750 is a solid video card for gamers with tight budgets. At medium resolutions with high settings enabled this thing still is faster than your monitor's refresh rate on a many modern titles. Saying its only good for the Sims 2 and WOW is misleading.
This card will get you where you need to be on many modern games for just $129. Is it going to chew up Crysis at 1080P with AA enabled, no, but most games it will perform at skip free frame rates. Is it future proof, no, is it a great upgrade for some, sure, could a budget minded gamer select it as his weapon of choice? I don't see why not. The proof is here, here and here.
Simply stated, there is not a game on the market that the 5750 won't play. Are there games you will have to compromise some resolution and detail settings on, yeah, sure, maybe enough to count on both my hands, but for $129 this is going to represent a fair value to allot of gamers that want DX11 on a shoestring budget. Saying its only effective for WOW and Sims 2 is insulting to the product.
No, we are not talking price performance, we are talking about the actual capability of the card, which you said was relegated to games like the Sims and WOW. I did not write it, you did, and, lets be real, that's not giving the 5750 a fair shake.
Could someone argue a GTX260 is a better value, or argue they are better served by just holding on to their 9800 GT, sure, I don't knock that argument, I'm just saying, the 5750 is good for a hell of allot more than home theater and WOW.
Gentlemen, we are all in agreement that saying the 5750 is only good enough to play the Sims 2 on your little sisters computer is an unfair statement, agreed?
And for home theaters, it seemes ridiculous to use anything less than the current top end GPU available. If you can afford a home theater system you can scrape up an extra $100 for the best available GPU.
HTPCs can use low power, mid range equipment, and they don't cost nearly as much as a full-powered desktop computer...
It's like your ideas are firmly rooted in 2003 and they're not budging from there.
So, if a value card doesn't even excel at the only job it was given, what does that make it? Certainly not a product that a gamer concerned about their performance should drop their money on.
What's left? Oh right, people who just want to game and don't care much about performance.
Agreement. This seems like a gorgeous card for an HTPC. Could possibly even get away with passive cooling on it - zero decibels for the win.
As for the card's value per dollar, it may perform decently, but if you're going after the card over an HD4850 or a GTS250 simply because it supports DirectX 11, then you affirm you want to play AAA titles with it, making the card a bad choice in the first place. Get an HD5870, or at the very least an HD5850.
But to be clear, it does play games other than your little sisters copy of Sims 2.
Your paying a $20 premium to be the first kid on the block with DX11 capable hardware with low power requirements a thermals. Some will see value in that, others won't, at $129 the 5750 is still a square deal. Is it the absolute best deal for some gamers, maybe, maybe not, but saying the card can't game is just misinformation. It's not the case.