SOHO question

MachineGunKellyMachineGunKelly The STICKS, Illinois
edited January 2004 in Science & Tech
Got a D-Link DE-906 network kit from a friend and installed one NIC in a KG7 rig running 98 2nd and the other rig a A7N8X deluxe running XP home. The hub is a DE-805TP and the card itself is a DE-528 pci. I have internet sharing on the 98 rig just fine and I am typing this out on that rig right now.

My problem is this: I tried to run XP's setup wizard on the 98 machine so they could share files and printers and the program tells me that the device could not be found. What the heck? I'm obviously talking to the modem in the XP rig so what am I doing wrong here?

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  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    You tried to run XP's setup wizard on 98? :confused2 Try doing it manually. I would tell you how but it's been yrs since I've used 98.
  • MachineGunKellyMachineGunKelly The STICKS, Illinois
    edited January 2004
    Yes. Xp's setup wizard said that that is what I should do. Put the XP cd in the 98 rig and select 'perform other tasks' from the 'welcome to XP' screen menu and then select 'set up a home or small office network'. I run throught the screens and am prompted to remove the cd and restart. When the comp reboots I get a screen that tells me 'setup wizard could not find your hardware, please install and configure your hardware and run this wizard again'.

    The 98 comp with the nic is the one I am having trouble with setting up to communicate with the xp comp. Now I have lost the internet sharing function on the 98 comp for some reason as well. The networking icon in the taskbar is gone as well on the 98 rig. The nic shows up in the SYSTEM and is said to be functioning properly and has drivers loaded on the 98 rig so what do I need to do?
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    From what I can remember. The workgroup has to be the same, set the card to automatically get a IP and enable file sharing. You can do all that in the network settings. You could also always try Win2K.
  • MachineGunKellyMachineGunKelly The STICKS, Illinois
    edited January 2004
    Workgroups are the same, IP is set to auto, file and printer sharing is enabled. Ran ipconfig on both systems to set ip's and subnets. I managed to get the internet sharing back up (not really sure HOW) but I still cannot access the internet from the 98 rig. The internet gateway icon is back in the taskbar and shows I'm connected thru the XP rig at the same speed but I cant access any websites. It tells me that 'action cancelled' and some song and dance about the website not being available when I'm looking at it right now from the Xp rig. I've been at this now for about 4-5 hours and have less to show for it now then I did when I first booted up. This sucks. Help me Shorty! :rant:
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    The problem is that the Internet Connection Sharing Wizards that come with Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Me don't work very well, and in some cases, can break your existing Internet Connection.
    http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    Ok, in the 98 box, what happens if you go into Network Neighborhood and tell it to "find computer??" Then tell it to map drives after double-clicking any computer it finds.... And make sure router is set to DHCP more than one IP, like a small range of 2-3 IPs.

    What happens if you do this:

    Start Run|Command|enter key
    winipcfg
    (then click on the resulting dialog, make usre your NIC shows up, then more info, then release, then renew)

    Also, you might have to, with 98 or SE, give your 98 box an Ip in valid DHCP range, same mask as the router is set for (make sure it did not change it to fit a new mask from your ISP), then renew and release again after a restart, THEN you should be able to get it reset to DHCP, auto DNS, auto IP, adn if that fails give it your ROUTER's IP for DNS and leave the tohers auto AFTER another restart. Good old 98 loves restarts, it does not have live netowrking rehooks as XP does. Also, 98 is NOT a uPNP O\S (PNP O\S, yes, uPNP O\S NO), you might get to uncheck uPNP to get both O\Ss running, as XP CAN run non-uPNP for networking-- mine is doing so now). I have had to do that to Linksys stuff before, and in some cases manually config two dialup networking configs if the 98 box also had\has a regular modem on it.

    I HAVE seen routers change IPs in a network dynamicly if you have an ISP lease resync, also, and 98 may not pick this up until a reboot happens. PITA, but it has happened. Also, you will need a TCP\IP stack for both the modem and the NIC, one each, in each's own config. Whether or not a builtiin modem is plugged into phone line or not, or 98 may try to reestablish teh modem network linking.

    John-- who played until DIZZY with a mixed 98, 2000, and XP mininetwork one time and finally gave up, turned off uPNP on router, and silly mininet worked FINE after that. Um, WHY a HUB for two boxes???? Why not direct plugin to ports on router???? HUB for two boxes will confuse heck out of things-- packet collisions probable given your uses, and a hub will timeout -deactivate the ports involved in that case unless it is really a switch (not only that, but for hub use you need FIXED IPs, see following for why)-- not only that, it will happily feed DHCP out all ports when either box restarts for any reason and 98 might not pick up on it, or might dyn-swithc in NIC config and not work as the router now thinks it has two boxes with same IP which is a TCPIP violation. SWITCH, maybe, if your router is not a dually, switch+router. OH, no router.... Use a switch instead, please, unless you actually have a hub\switch, in which case tell it to be in switch mode to use DHCP for end nodes.
  • MachineGunKellyMachineGunKelly The STICKS, Illinois
    edited January 2004
    Thanks John for the info. "find computer" finds nothing. Even with the other rigs name.
    Winipcfg found this: Host name was good, Node type:broadcast, ppp adapter address of card, ip o.o.o.o, subnet o.o.o.o, dhcp 255.255.255.255. But I've set the values for the ip and the subnet up manually to within one point of the gateway comp's values with the subnets the same. I can ping them both to each other but neither show up on the others network.
    What if lose the hub and just run a crossover cable? Should I put the other nic in the A7N8X deluxe instead of using the built in ethernet adapters? What if I installed XP on the other rig, would it snitch me out if we share an internet connection or would it be ok if the other rig didn't go on-line, 'theoretically' of course! ;)
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    Just install XP, run a crossover cable, run the network wizard on both and you're set.
  • MachineGunKellyMachineGunKelly The STICKS, Illinois
    edited January 2004
    If it's the same copy of XP on both rigs will there be a conflict between the two?
    How about when I'm on-line, will it disable my liscense or anything? That's my main worry at this point.

    Thanks. MGK (who is NOT an IT networking 'wizzad'!) :)

    (PS, Virtues of Evil, thanks for the link to Annoyances.org, just noticed it. I printed out all the relavant info and will try everything. Looks like a great site. I'll let you know!)
  • BlackHawkBlackHawk Bible music connoisseur There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Icrontian
    edited January 2004
    Ygpm ;)
  • MachineGunKellyMachineGunKelly The STICKS, Illinois
    edited January 2004
    Ygpm :)
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