It's a single transistor that leaks more current than it should, and it's a holdover from a previous design that actually isn't critical to any of the new hardware. It also doesn't affect the SATA-600 ports - so if that's all you use, there's nothing to worry about.
Sad, but not a huge issue except for the hit to their bottom line. Nice to see them catching it and issuing a recall from the get-go.
Oh look, it's Cliff being denigrating in an Intel thread. And for being too good at their jobs....?
It is not denigrating. Look you said, it, like no big deal, they just lost a billion dollars. Drop in the bucket for them, and, its actually true, its what, about 2% of their revenue target?
Huge company is huge.
Buying an Intel processor is kind of like shopping at Wal Mart, or drinking Bud.
It is not denigrating. Look you said, it, like no big deal, they just lost a billion dollars. Drop in the bucket for them, and, its actually true, its what, about 2% of their revenue target?
Huge company is huge.
Buying an Intel processor is kind of like shopping at Wal Mart, or drinking Bud.
Buying an AMD processor would be more like drinking Bud. Something that's cheap and close to good, rather than paying a bit more for the best.
Buying an AMD processor would be more like drinking Bud. Something that's cheap and close to good, rather than paying a bit more for the best.
If you really want to make this analogy accurately, it's more like buying the same beer except that with Intel you can get a 32oz. bottle and pay more per ounce whereas AMD only sells 20oz. bottles at a lower cost per ounce.
You know... since both company makes x86 processors.... which run the same programs, the same way.
Who agrees that it is at least mildly disturbing that a company is so huge that it can have a billion dollar screw up and pretty much shrug it off? I'm not making a quality comparison to Wal Mart, or Anheuser Busch, they just come to mind as company's that you might be able to define as "scary big".
Also, I said nothing about AMD relative to this issue. The issue is about Intel's dominance in the chip market, and how it may effect a good free open consumer market. Any company that can afford a billion dollar failure without some serious repercussions, well, it just bothers me.
Too much power, too much control, too much influence in the market. It just is not healthy. Its a gross imbalance that I wish consumers would be smart enough to level.
Once again, a company just lost A BILLION dollars, you know, the number with nine zeros after the one. I mean, stop and really think about that for a second. That company has about 100,000 employee's so thats about 10K a head? Still, they generate about 43 billion in revenue, so it is basically, like so what, its just a billion?
Take me at face value here for a second, I'm not trollin. Am I the only one that this bothers? No company, not AMD, not anyone should be able to weather a billion dollar screw up and not have a major shift. Look at Toyota recently, massive company, but a market with more players, much choice, its lead to a sort of shift in consumer attitude. In the chip market Intel could probably have a thousand homes burn to a ground because of some flaw in their chip set, and absolutely nothing would change. That just bothers me.
I can certainly empathize with your argument that it's a little scary when a company can shrug it off when it suffers a $1 billion setback. Yes, Intel is a giant monolith of a company, but then again there's a lot of companies like that (for example, media companies "scare" me more with how they can influence entire nations of people with what amounts to manufactured propaganda). While I admit that I am not as knowledgeable about mega-corporations, I can only assume that this is why there are government-run regulations on corporations to begin with (anti-trust acts, etc).
There are some benefits to a big corporation, though. This does mean that Intel has the assets to invest in continued research and improvement for the future of their products -- which generally should have a positive impact on the world, even if they dwarf their second-biggest competitor. Of course, whether they invest in research properly (or even responsibly) is another matter I won't go into (and honestly, I don't know if Intel develops wisely or not).
Now, I'm more of an AMD guy because I prefer a chip that gives me more value for my dollar... but I have no problem if Intel were to lead the way with technological advances, as they can still make way for advancements elsewhere.
In the kindest way possible, Cliff: don't be daft.
SNB has two SATA controller chips on board - one for the SATA 300 ports, and one for the SATA 600 ports. This old transistor is in the SATA 300 controller. If/when it fails, it will only take out the SATA 300 ports - so if you're using a laptop that only uses two SATA 600 ports, or your desktop drives are only plugged into the SATA 600s, you'll never even notice an issue.
In the kindest way possible, Cliff: don't be daft.
SNB has two SATA controller chips on board - one for the SATA 300 ports, and one for the SATA 600 ports. This old transistor is in the SATA 300 controller. If/when it fails, it will only take out the SATA 300 ports - so if you're using a laptop that only uses two SATA 600 ports, or your desktop drives are only plugged into the SATA 600s, you'll never even notice an issue.
Unless the hard drive is plugged into the SATA 300 ports?
SATA 300, still pretty common last time I checked.
The SATA spec is entirely backwards compatible. You can plug your SATA 300 drives into the SATA 600 ports and be fine. Stop being Trolly McWhinerton. I'm not indicating it's not a flaw: it is, and they're recalling and replacing the boards. I'm saying if you don't need to use those ports, you don't have to return your board or be concerned about buying one - you won't see any other issues because of this flaw.
I suppose a 1 Billion dollar Hit has to hurt But seeing it as a drop in the bucket is actually kinda true. Intel has been around longer than most in the Chip world and has been a leader for most of it. The finances they have stock piled are prolly in the top 10 when it comes to tech companys
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Sad, but not a huge issue except for the hit to their bottom line. Nice to see them catching it and issuing a recall from the get-go.
"PROBLEM?"
Followed by:
"IT IS SO TOTALLY YOUR FAULT."
It is not denigrating. Look you said, it, like no big deal, they just lost a billion dollars. Drop in the bucket for them, and, its actually true, its what, about 2% of their revenue target?
Huge company is huge.
Buying an Intel processor is kind of like shopping at Wal Mart, or drinking Bud.
Buying an AMD processor would be more like drinking Bud. Something that's cheap and close to good, rather than paying a bit more for the best.
If you really want to make this analogy accurately, it's more like buying the same beer except that with Intel you can get a 32oz. bottle and pay more per ounce whereas AMD only sells 20oz. bottles at a lower cost per ounce.
You know... since both company makes x86 processors.... which run the same programs, the same way.
And comes with a shot of shitty liquor.
Without belittling me for a second lets try this.
Who agrees that it is at least mildly disturbing that a company is so huge that it can have a billion dollar screw up and pretty much shrug it off? I'm not making a quality comparison to Wal Mart, or Anheuser Busch, they just come to mind as company's that you might be able to define as "scary big".
Also, I said nothing about AMD relative to this issue. The issue is about Intel's dominance in the chip market, and how it may effect a good free open consumer market. Any company that can afford a billion dollar failure without some serious repercussions, well, it just bothers me.
Too much power, too much control, too much influence in the market. It just is not healthy. Its a gross imbalance that I wish consumers would be smart enough to level.
Once again, a company just lost A BILLION dollars, you know, the number with nine zeros after the one. I mean, stop and really think about that for a second. That company has about 100,000 employee's so thats about 10K a head? Still, they generate about 43 billion in revenue, so it is basically, like so what, its just a billion?
Take me at face value here for a second, I'm not trollin. Am I the only one that this bothers? No company, not AMD, not anyone should be able to weather a billion dollar screw up and not have a major shift. Look at Toyota recently, massive company, but a market with more players, much choice, its lead to a sort of shift in consumer attitude. In the chip market Intel could probably have a thousand homes burn to a ground because of some flaw in their chip set, and absolutely nothing would change. That just bothers me.
There are some benefits to a big corporation, though. This does mean that Intel has the assets to invest in continued research and improvement for the future of their products -- which generally should have a positive impact on the world, even if they dwarf their second-biggest competitor. Of course, whether they invest in research properly (or even responsibly) is another matter I won't go into (and honestly, I don't know if Intel develops wisely or not).
Now, I'm more of an AMD guy because I prefer a chip that gives me more value for my dollar... but I have no problem if Intel were to lead the way with technological advances, as they can still make way for advancements elsewhere.
A 6% drop in performance over 3 years on sata 2? Why is this a big deal?
SNB has two SATA controller chips on board - one for the SATA 300 ports, and one for the SATA 600 ports. This old transistor is in the SATA 300 controller. If/when it fails, it will only take out the SATA 300 ports - so if you're using a laptop that only uses two SATA 600 ports, or your desktop drives are only plugged into the SATA 600s, you'll never even notice an issue.
Unless the hard drive is plugged into the SATA 300 ports?
SATA 300, still pretty common last time I checked.
I made a serious comment about the economic imbalance in the chip market and it got quiet except for Bandrik.
Trollin is all I got for ya.