Reseller claims Duron 1300 = AMD XP Pro 2000+
I will sum up the whole thing now.
A guy purchases a computer.
The advert states that the computer is a "AMD XP Pro 2000+"
In my head that sounds like an abbreviation for AMD Athlon XP 2000+ Processor.
He then wanted to change his heatsink, he notices that it is a Duron that is in his motherboard.
He then calls the store, they tell him that a Duron equals a "AMD XP Pro 2000+" (their own made up description)
The advert on the companys hompage states that the pc contains a "AMD PRO 2000+ (PROCESSOR)"
As I see it there are numerous things that are wrong here.
The company misuse AMD's PR rating.
AMD doesn't use PR rating for Durons.
It seems that XP was misused as well, in the advert.
They tell the consumer a lie 2000+=Duron 1300 MHz.
A guy purchases a computer.
The advert states that the computer is a "AMD XP Pro 2000+"
In my head that sounds like an abbreviation for AMD Athlon XP 2000+ Processor.
He then wanted to change his heatsink, he notices that it is a Duron that is in his motherboard.
He then calls the store, they tell him that a Duron equals a "AMD XP Pro 2000+" (their own made up description)
The advert on the companys hompage states that the pc contains a "AMD PRO 2000+ (PROCESSOR)"
As I see it there are numerous things that are wrong here.
The company misuse AMD's PR rating.
AMD doesn't use PR rating for Durons.
It seems that XP was misused as well, in the advert.
They tell the consumer a lie 2000+=Duron 1300 MHz.
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If they dont swap it then inform your equvialent of Trading Standards.
But the store claims that this, AMD XP Pro 2000+, is the name of the system as a whole.
This text was in their advert though.
"- AMD XP PRO 2000+ (PROCESSOR)"
But it is indeed a good way to cheat your customers.
I have posted this at the official AMD forums as well
Good move. I would also post full information on the store and their contact information too.
But I am trying to help the guy out with some advice.
I am preparing a lawsuit though, against another company.
I got a (ab)used motherboard as a replacement.
I handed in my KT7-Raid v.1.2 I received a KT7-Raid 1.1.
But that's another story.
I would be happy to tell you the whole story.
My problem occured in April 2001, it takes time.
I played the n00b computer user.
They have confirmed one thing already.
My mail:
Subject: Compose you own custom G-OFFICE PRO 2000+ & 2500+ PC
>I have noticed that you can compose a custom configuration.
>What does an AMD Pro 2000+ and a 2500+ correspond to?
>What processor is it?
After this I enquired about their cd burners. (I wouldn't make my goal to obvious)
They replied
>The CPU's are: 2000+ = 1300 MHz, 2500+ = 1600 MHz
>And then they babbled on about their warranty and their excellent burner.
I sent this afterwards.
>That sounds good.
>But I want to know, is it Athlon processors or what?
>I don't know much about AMD.
I think they've gone home for the weekend.
They haven't replied yet.
You really need a full exact list of componets anytime you buy and there are a lot of pirates stretching the bounds of honesty in these configurations
Good Luck
Tex
I have it confirmed in an email from the store.
Look at the above posts.
I made a fake inquiry.
I highly doubt that when an Athlon XP 1533Mhz is only rated at 1800+.
Tex
Good for a 1.8GHz Duron, but we aren't talking about 1.8GHz, we are talking about a 1.3GHz Duron.
I PM'd the mod in the AMD Forums, he provided me with an e-mail address.
They have a similar case in North America.
The Processing part of core, as opposed to the RAM or SRAM cache, is same. That is what both AMD and Intel ARE doing, what used to be top line, as far as processing circuits, they are rolling into lower level chips.
Compared to in-production current CPUs, the ones with lesser cache should be a bit less effective. But, the inner FPU and ALU processing circuits are the same for certain steps of "lesser quality line" named chips released now as compared to higher end chips(as far as name goes) released in the past.
Essentially, AMD and Intel are rereleasing processor part designs with less cache RAM attached in the bigger thing you think of as the core. The ones with more cache were released as higher end chips in past. It is one way to save on having to design a whole processor, now you just redesign the amount of internal cache the processign part of the CPU uses inside the bigger heat-sunk thing that is thought of as a CPU Core by most enthusiasts.
If one were to have a microphoto of a 2 GHz Celeron, for example, the ALU and FPU processing parts would be comparable to a Willamette base processing circuit design with less or same cache than a Willamette had. Compared to a Northwood or Prescott, both the Celeron and the old Willamette limp.
Thus, when Tex thinks of the internal circuits you think of bigger core integral thing.
John-- who thinks as Tex does in this respect as to what is the real core of a CPU, by thinking about what is in the bigger CPU physical thing you see without the aid of a microscope.
(Athlon) XP 1.8 (ghz) = 2200+
If you consider that doubling L2 Cache (+256K) add +200 PR pts, then reducing by L2 Cache by Half (or -128K) subtracts 200 PR pts (an arguable point)
Tbred 256K 2.083ghz (FSB333) = 2600+
Barton 512K 2.083ghz (FSB333) = 2800+
then since... Athlon XP 256K (Palomino or Tbred) 1.80ghz (FSB266) = 2200+
This easily could be.... Duron 128K (Morgan) 1.80ghz (FSB266?) = 2000+
I guess the moral of the story is always find out EXACTLY What CPU (chip, cache and actual speed) is powering your computer.
I repeat myself now.
The shop confirmed that their "AMD Pro 2000+" is a Duron 1300 MHz.
They even sent me a mail with the information.
That should stop some of the speculation.
I know I confuse you so badly prof Thrax. You problem solving amazes me at times.
Try this link.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20030826071248.html
Read slow. Sure you will figure it out.
tex
Inexcusable and most certainly wrong. They may claim the name 'XP Pro 2000+' was just something they made up, but any magistrate or whatever will realise it's bull. If I discovered a shop that was doing that, I wouldn't stop till they we're exposed and punished. You're doing the right thing MJO.
Here's the thread detailing the thing I was talking about at the start of my post: http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5158&highlight=morgan
Take it easy, Thrax.
--Mr. K
Oh and are you sure they're not really retarded and have applebred's in their but haven't upped the FSB? 13x133 = 1733 (which is getting closer).
I sent an e-mail last week and told them everything.
I got a reply back, in danish by the way. (I'm most impressed)
The dude from AMD European Technical Support Centre, advised to file a complaint to the danish equvialent of Trading Standards.
I found the reaction quite odd, and it lacked some determination.
I then replied back.
I translate from my danish reply, I wrote in danish since I got a reply in danish.
Reply:
I hoped that AMD would sanction this reseller?
I believe that he would think twice if he receives a letter from AMD.
These resellers damage AMD's reputation by selling products as something they are not.
I do not think the customer will contact the danish equvialent of Trading Standards.
Maybe he will because the case is a matter of principle, a complaint takes a long time and is often quite tedious
BTW I have found more shops doing the same thing.
To my knowledge it might be a danish importer naming machines and processors like this.
I also heard of a similar case in North america, this reseller sold/sells AMD Athlon Pro2800A+, I don't know what AMD's reaction was to this case?
I recieved the reply five days ago and I replied right away.
I haven't heard anything from AMD since.
Sure looks like it.
That reseller is saying that it is a Duron without trying to hide it though.
But that reseller is screwing around with AMD's PR rating like the other resellers.
They have interesting upgrade options as well.