Mouse is broken, time for a new one
My g500 is acting up (double clicking randomly), so I'm looking for a new mouse. I've yet to hear if logitech will replace it, but if they won't, I'll need to add a new mouse to my build as well. I really like the g500, but I greatly dislike the center scroll. Specifically, how difficult it is to middle click without scrolling. I was considering the g700 - does anyone know if the scroll wheel is similar?
I don't really have any input on the G700, though, which is what the question technically was. :P
I used to have the wireless version of this mouse (forget the model number) but the battery life went to shit, so Logitech sent me this one to replace it. I've been happy with it for the three years or so that I've been using it.
I have not much opinion on the G700 - I wouldn't buy it, as I know Logitech has switched to lower quality components. Often mid-flight and without warning. Took apart two Performance MXes, totally different buttons (later one being much lower quality) and obvious cost-cutting across the board. I just couldn't trust it to last more than a few months, same as the much more expensive Performance MX. And it's completely unusable in wireless according to reviews and complaints.
The Naga's build quality doesn't even get up to 'atrocious' and the mandatory software is nothing more than spyware. Seriously, read the TOS. You have to give them permission to log all keystrokes, websites visited, applications run and upload them to Razer. And the build quality, my gods, the whole button panel rocking back and forth and rattling. And that pricetag - nope.jpg. Because let's overpay for confirmed spyware and hardware DRM and a device that doesn't even work right. I don't know how anybody in their right mind could recommend Razer unless they've been suckered in by the marketing. (But Razer is a marketing company and absolutely not a hardware company.)
The Cyborg isn't BAD, but I wasn't impressed at the pricetag. It was pretty underwhelming all in all, and the software didn't wow me compared to SteelSeries Engine. Granted, almost all of it's meh at best compared to Engine, but at a $110+ pricetag I expected higher quality everything. It's not anywhere near as bad as the Naga, but it's just.. not that impressive to me. Plus if you have long reach like me - octave + >2 - you'll find the thumb buttons awkward. Back one you'll have to rock with the base of your thumb or middle joint, or you have to over-reach for the front one. You really, really need to put your hands on it before you consider buying it. It very much does not fit everyone's hand, even with all the adjustment. The software isn't atrocious - it's actually good when compared to everything else out there, but I just... it wasn't enough. It's fine if you're only doing MMOs, but for anything else it just seems to be bad.
IMNSHO, you cannot do better than the SteelSeries though. Wireless is better than Legendary since the Wireless has Engine. The Legendary is fully programmable for any game and can auto-switch, but it's a HUGE pain compared to Engine. Unless you stick it on a buggy port, Wireless doesn't have any lag, any hiccups, any problems at all. It's pretty much 100% flawless in every regard. It's far more flexible WRT differing applications - I have macros and CPI settings for MS Word that autoload. And these things are tanks. I'm hard on mice (constant 18+ hour a day use) and other than dirt, they just won't break. The only real downside is that if you manage to hork up Engine, prior to early this year, driver screwups meant your ONLY fix was reinstalling Windows or doing regedit as SYSTEM. (Not Admin - ABOVE admin.) That's about 99.999% fixed with the later versions of Engine. (Of course I hit the edge case there.)
Disclaimer: yes I wrote the review. And yes these are my primary mice. And yes they're good enough that I bought a second Legendary - would have been a Wireless but couldn't afford it.
Since you brought up the middle clicking thing, I'll tell you straight up, it is not happening on Naga due to how loose and inconsistent the wheel is. Logitech G700, just flat out forget it - those stupid buttons on the hump will continually get in the way. And yes, that's the 'free-wheeling' switch so double annoyance there. The MMO7, Legendary and Wireless have much better 'notched'/'clicking' scroll wheels so it'll be fine on any of those. If you look at the center-rear button on the SteelSeries, it looks like it gets in the way, but it's recessed into the curve on the Wireless (hit with middle joint on middle finger) and significantly lower than wheel click point on the Legendary.
I do see what you mean about the thumb buttons though - did you know that whole plate can be adjusted forward and backward? I've managed to find a comfortable spot with my MMO7 that fits even my gigantor huge hands.
And yep - I played around with the plate a lot. Which is why I tell folks to put their hands on one FIRST. The problem folks with hands like me have isn't wrist to fingertip length - which the adjustment is primarily for. It's width. (I have the same problem on the SteelSeries, but to a lesser extent.) Trying to get three fingers onto anything more than 1/4" narrower than the SteelSeries is pretty much identical in visual appearance to say, watching you try to walk around low ceilings for a week without hitting your head. Not happening! B)
That's actually why you see me gripping most mice strangely, is because probably 99 out of 100 mice are too short, too narrow, or both. So I shift my middle finger to right click so I'm not cramped like all hell. (Palm grip obviously - claw is right the hell out.) And you really, really cannot do that with the MMO7 and use it as designed.
Though I suppose discarding those issues, my biggest concern/gripe would be with the price. It's nearly $115 - but it isn't wireless, and in terms of features really ends up parallel to the old $60 Logitech G5. (Which had adjustable weights and programmable buttons but not adjustable size.) The 6400/6400 DPI sensor isn't bad - certainly better than Naga's downright laughable 5600/100 - but it seemed to have inertia correction that was almost too aggressive. I just have a really hard time seeing how it all adds up to a pricetag equivalent to the SteelSeries Wireless and nearly twice the Legendary's price.
The hex looks more manageable for me, but I'd really like to be able to put my hands on the mouse before I buy it. BBuy only caries the 12 button naga. It's so hard to move away from logitech when I know how nice it feels in my hand . I'd consider the g400s, but for some reason it's more expensive than the g500.
This is what I use. Im not big into buttons, I just need a comfy FAST mouse for SC2
tastingtesting event at the next EpIC.
Guess I'll have a g500 to sell
I may get one
Partially due to sweat making the pad reflective, but I guess I really just need a new mousepad.
I like to bind those buttons to PTT: is there any better methodology to that?