RahnalH102the Green Devout, Veteran Monster Hunter, Creature EnthusiastNew MexicoIcrontian
I was in my highschool government class during Obama's first State of the Union Address and our teacher had us watch it live. Obama was summarizing his plans and ideals for immigration and that one senator jumped in out of nowhere with "LIAR!" A big, elementary school, "OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH" followed ... from those at the Address. My class laughed so hard. Both because it was funny that such a thing happened at such a serious event, and at how potentially sad that these are the people supposedly leading our country and representing us.
Since I was old enough to comprehend the position (beginning of George W. Bush's tenor), I saw that being the President was not just leading the country, but being a massive punching bag for the world, and especially your country. For that reason, no matter who gets elected, I say, "Godspeed you brave soul."
To be fair, at least W was given some time before everyone started beating up on him, especially after 9/11. With Obama, it started before he even took office (as was pointed out in the article).
Edit: Also, it seems that article is at least 2 years old... and jeeze, the comments on it are basically textbook examples of what the author is talking about right down to claiming he's a non-citizen, Muslim, socialist usurper. Just sad.
You know what I find funny about Obama is that the right has this perception of him as this socialist that isn't even remotely accurate because the left that supported him knows his biggest problem is he is just enacting all the same policy that Bush would have if he would have been given a third term. We still have war to keep the Saudi's in control of OPEC and oil trading on the US dollar. We still have massive government overreach. No repeal of the Patriot Act. No real significant overhaul of the banking industry. Further extension of TARP and bank bailouts. No accountability for the institutions that fleeced American's retirement funds and homes. No campaign finance reform. No real effective single payer healthcare overhaul (instead a lousy thousand page complex compromise to look like they were doing something when in fact they were not solving an significant problems inherent in the system)
So what is silly to me is the Fox News crowd hates him when he really is just another six years of Bush so far.
It's not even that we're giving the GOP a chance... it's that the left is so frustrated and fed up with the Democrats moving to the right and not standing up to the GOP that they didn't show up to vote. At least in Michigan, it was the lowest voter turnout in 24 years! The hard core right wingers are all worked up about whatever Fox tells them to get worked up about, so they showed up. The left didn't show up. Bingo, GOP government. Then they'll piss off the left so much that they will show up and things will move back the other way.
I would have to agree with this article. No matter what your politics are and if you agree with the president or not, the office should always be shown some respect (short of the president going out and doing outright illegal things) but that definitely hasn't happened with our current president and it's kinda sad.
Before this thread gets deleted, I'll go ahead and throw this out there: Obama put up with more shit than any leader in US history. For both obvious reasons and less obvious reasons. He got a lot done regardless of gridlock and his circumstances. While I do not attribute my general well being to any president; I thrived under Obama's administration because there was nothing stopping me and essentially Keynes was right. Regardless of political affiliation, I'm not mad at any leader until they are to blame for my problems. And so far in life, that hasn't happened once with Whites, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Republicans, Democrats, whatever.
They do what they do, and I do what I do. Keep voting America.
Please don't close it until/unless people start being rude. It would be nice to let this type of thing have a chance. Icrontic has aged considerably (old) and I think we should keep trying at civil political discussions without any reactionary policy.
I don't see a reason to close a civil discussion. When the "no politics" rule was made, we were a much younger, much less mature/experienced community. We've come a long way
@primesuspect said:
I don't see a reason to close a civil discussion. When the "no politics" rule was made, we were a much younger, much less mature/experienced community. We've come a long way
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adarrylNo Man Stands So Tall As When He Stoops To Help a Child.Icrontian
My sentiments are along the lines of @CrazyJoe. Agree with him or not; vote with him or not; the Office alone deserves more respect than what our President has received. It is heart-breaking. Who among us could endure the level of abuse Obama has? I, for one, could not.
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I was in my highschool government class during Obama's first State of the Union Address and our teacher had us watch it live. Obama was summarizing his plans and ideals for immigration and that one senator jumped in out of nowhere with "LIAR!" A big, elementary school, "OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH" followed ... from those at the Address. My class laughed so hard. Both because it was funny that such a thing happened at such a serious event, and at how potentially sad that these are the people supposedly leading our country and representing us.
Since I was old enough to comprehend the position (beginning of George W. Bush's tenor), I saw that being the President was not just leading the country, but being a massive punching bag for the world, and especially your country. For that reason, no matter who gets elected, I say, "Godspeed you brave soul."
To be fair, at least W was given some time before everyone started beating up on him, especially after 9/11. With Obama, it started before he even took office (as was pointed out in the article).
Edit: Also, it seems that article is at least 2 years old... and jeeze, the comments on it are basically textbook examples of what the author is talking about right down to claiming he's a non-citizen, Muslim, socialist usurper. Just sad.
You know what I find funny about Obama is that the right has this perception of him as this socialist that isn't even remotely accurate because the left that supported him knows his biggest problem is he is just enacting all the same policy that Bush would have if he would have been given a third term. We still have war to keep the Saudi's in control of OPEC and oil trading on the US dollar. We still have massive government overreach. No repeal of the Patriot Act. No real significant overhaul of the banking industry. Further extension of TARP and bank bailouts. No accountability for the institutions that fleeced American's retirement funds and homes. No campaign finance reform. No real effective single payer healthcare overhaul (instead a lousy thousand page complex compromise to look like they were doing something when in fact they were not solving an significant problems inherent in the system)
So what is silly to me is the Fox News crowd hates him when he really is just another six years of Bush so far.
{Removed, don't feel like gettin into it, not here}
It's not even that we're giving the GOP a chance... it's that the left is so frustrated and fed up with the Democrats moving to the right and not standing up to the GOP that they didn't show up to vote. At least in Michigan, it was the lowest voter turnout in 24 years! The hard core right wingers are all worked up about whatever Fox tells them to get worked up about, so they showed up. The left didn't show up. Bingo, GOP government. Then they'll piss off the left so much that they will show up and things will move back the other way.
Mods are asleep, post politics!
I would have to agree with this article. No matter what your politics are and if you agree with the president or not, the office should always be shown some respect (short of the president going out and doing outright illegal things) but that definitely hasn't happened with our current president and it's kinda sad.
Before this thread gets deleted, I'll go ahead and throw this out there: Obama put up with more shit than any leader in US history. For both obvious reasons and less obvious reasons. He got a lot done regardless of gridlock and his circumstances. While I do not attribute my general well being to any president; I thrived under Obama's administration because there was nothing stopping me and essentially Keynes was right. Regardless of political affiliation, I'm not mad at any leader until they are to blame for my problems. And so far in life, that hasn't happened once with Whites, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Republicans, Democrats, whatever.
They do what they do, and I do what I do. Keep voting America.
I'm torn between my cynical desire to see people start calling each other names, and my feeling that I should close this thread because politics.
Please don't close it until/unless people start being rude. It would be nice to let this type of thing have a chance. Icrontic has aged considerably (old) and I think we should keep trying at civil political discussions without any reactionary policy.
Also just to defuse the politics...
I don't see a reason to close a civil discussion. When the "no politics" rule was made, we were a much younger, much less mature/experienced community. We've come a long way
I believe I'll chime in here with a 'dick butt butt dick dick butt dick.'
My sentiments are along the lines of @CrazyJoe. Agree with him or not; vote with him or not; the Office alone deserves more respect than what our President has received. It is heart-breaking. Who among us could endure the level of abuse Obama has? I, for one, could not.