Why is my athlon 64 3200 slower than my old xp 2500 barton?

CaxusCaxus
edited March 2005 in Hardware
So i finally got my athlon 64 up and running and was all excited to see the performance increase over my old barton 2500. I was saddened when my first run of 3dmark2001se was a little over 14000. Thats with a sapphire radeon 9800 pro. This can't be right. I was getting 17222 with my old system. Granted i had my barton overclocked to 2800 speeds but still i would have thought that i should get at least 19000 with my new system before i overclocked it. I guess i'm a bit suspicious of the video card too because its different as well. I sold my old system to a friend which had my retail ati radeon 9800 pro and so i replaced it by getting an oem sapphire radeon 9800 pro assuming that they would be pretty much identical. I guess i'll try putting my old card in and seeing if that makes a difference. You don't think my 300w power supply is limiting my system do you? That would only affect stability wouldn't it?


Current system is:

athlon 64 3200
MSI K8T NEO
sapphire radeon 9800 pro
2x 512 Corsair xms pc3200

Comments

  • KingFishKingFish
    edited February 2004
    If your psu were flaky or just not cutting it the system would act differently. Common symptoms of a bad psu are random reboots for no apparent reason, the smell of something electrical burning, and (usually follows #2) FIRE. I can't think of any situation where a bad psu would give you lower 3dmarks without showing other signs of being bad. Check the drivers on the new videocard. See if you have all your options checked correctly. Some ati cards/drivers overclock automatically while temps allow it. Check background programs running. Tweak your windows correctly. Did you use the same hard drive with the OS already installed or was it a fresh install?

    KingFish
  • CaxusCaxus
    edited February 2004
    Fresh install. Enabled fast writes and that helped alot. 2001se score jumped up about 2500. I need to learn how to adjust the memory timings. On my last motherboard it had a turbo setting which did that for me so i've never learned much about it. This mb has a turbo option too but all the timings still say "auto" so i'm not sure what this new turbo mode does.
  • CaxusCaxus
    edited February 2004
    Ok, i just read a review of almost the exact same system i have and they got over 20k in 3dmark2001se with stock speeds. I'm depressed. :(

    http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1470&page=9
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    my A64 3000 Gets 18k in stock so i figure yours should get atleast 19. Got service pack one installed with DX9.0b and the new VIA hyperon 4in1 drivers?? Make sure V-sync is disabled and your monitors hz is at 85. in bios make sure your agp apature size is 256 and that the agp slot speed is at 8x. Oh and a big help for me with stablitlty and speed was i flashed my bios

    oh and et a bigger psu!!! 480watt would help alot of things!
  • kanezfankanezfan sunny south florida Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    oh come on, you guys are always jumping on the psu. if the psu was a problem, it would reboot or something, it wouldn't affect his score. here's something simple, go into your bios and make sure your multi and fsb are set correctly. i'll bet you they're not.
  • CaxusCaxus
    edited February 2004
    19475 at stock speeds now. All is well. :)
  • kanezfankanezfan sunny south florida Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    well what did you do to fix it?
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    kanezfan wrote:
    well what did you do to fix it?


    Same question! :confused:
  • CaxusCaxus
    edited February 2004
    To tell you the truth i'm not sure but i think it had something to do with my sound driver. I think i reinstalled the VIA drivers, then reinstalled dx9, then installed cat.4.2 and it worked great. Then just to see if it was the video driver i reinstalled cat 3.7 and it still worked great.

    So i thought it probably had something to do with the order i installed the via drivers, dx9, and then the video card drivers. I decided to format and start over fresh to clean up the mess. Installed via drivers, then dx9, then cat 4.2. Worked great. THEN i installed my soundblaster audigy driver and it went back down to the slow performance in 3dmark. So the sound driver had something to do with it. I reinstalled dx9, then cat 4.2 and it was good again.

    I hate installing drivers on top of each other so i'm gonna format again tonight and try to get the right order this time. I think it will be: Sound driver > VIA chipset driver > DX9 > Catalyst driver.
  • TheBaronTheBaron Austin, TX
    edited February 2004
    freaking audigy, maybe thats my problem too.

    edit: and now you've made me want to format. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
  • Ghaleon4Ghaleon4 South Oklahoma
    edited November 2004
    What is up with Creative anyways?
    I mean...ever since the Live! series of cards, I've always been a big fan, just because of all the features you get with the platinum series available for each line of soundcards (As a musician, I can't live without the front bay)...but...there's always been something flaky about them! The whole Via Chipset thing, bad performance in random circumstances, weird compatibility issues that appear for no reason on different people's identical computers, etc, etc...


    but...WHY is this??
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    With the LIVE! series and early revisions of the Audigy, Creative simply didn't adhere to the specifications of the PCI bus. Natively, the AGP bus is supposed to be given priority to the bus, however the PCI latency on the Creative cards was set identical to or lower than the AGP latency. This caused a conflict in priorities on the computer, and a rather large volume of lockups, bluescreens and other such errata.

    Additionally, Creative has never been any good at writing bloat-free, stable drivers. Their hardware is the best, but their driver teams have always need a good kick to the pills.
  • MachineGunKellyMachineGunKelly The STICKS, Illinois
    edited November 2004
    I never load my LIVE! soundcards drivers. I've had nothing but trouble with them over the years. I let it run off of XP's natives and all is well AND sounding good. ;)
  • nexis989nexis989
    edited February 2005
    KingFish wrote:
    If your psu were flaky or just not cutting it the system would act differently. Common symptoms of a bad psu are random reboots for no apparent reason, the smell of something electrical burning, and (usually follows #2) FIRE. I can't think of any situation where a bad psu would give you lower 3dmarks without showing other signs of being bad. Check the drivers on the new videocard. See if you have all your options checked correctly. Some ati cards/drivers overclock automatically while temps allow it. Check background programs running. Tweak your windows correctly. Did you use the same hard drive with the OS already installed or was it a fresh install?

    KingFish

    Actually, lack of power would cause a lower score. 64 bit processors take more power and a low sized PSU would have trouble giving the 9800 pro the power to run at full speeds.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited February 2005
    nexis,

    It's impossible for either the cpu or videocard to know if you have a bad psu or not. Either it works or not. Simple as that. CPU throttling isn't about the powersupply, neither are cool and quiet. You will have the exact same score with a 300W versus a 1000W powersupply.
  • ronboronbo Connecticut
    edited March 2005
    I am ready to put my new Athlon 3200+ winchester system together. After reading this thread about the creative driver problems, should I go with the on board audio on the MSI K8N Neo 2, and leave my SB Audigy in my Athlon XP 2000? Is the onboard audio ok for games?
  • Ghaleon4Ghaleon4 South Oklahoma
    edited March 2005
    I personally have never really had a problem with Creative's drivers, except on a FEW games. My only complaint is that they ripped everyone off, because on a hardware level, the Audigy 2 is the same thing as an Audigy 1. But that's easily fixed with some hacked drivers. (I run them...)
    Unless it's Nvidia's SoundStorm, I'm not entirely sold with On-Board audio yet.
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