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UPSWeezer
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Thumbs up Fallout 3

Well, it's out. Whose getting it?
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Buddy J
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Roommate has it. It's cool. Watched him play it a bit last night. It's still cool, even on his crappy graphics card. I'm a fan so far.
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Snarkasm
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Have it. Liking it a lot. Playing more hopefully tonight, but very likely not until the weekend. Le bummer.
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I'm going to get it, but not until I have a lot less other work to do. I saw the lunchbox in the store today, and I was very tempted to pick it up, but I know how it would effect my productivity.
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Got it, will probably play a bit tonight.

Fallout 3, Red Alert 3, Dead Space, Stalker: CS, Mass Effect, and Mirror's Edge... can't sleep, must play.
Crazy Joe
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Fallout 3 is awesome!! My character McCockenstein is such a bitch.
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and i think hes hot
FelixDeSouze
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It does look sweet, I got it but not had a chance to play it yet due to Fable 2!! lol
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Amazing game. To put it as simplistic as possible. It's Oblivion with guns, but everything is improved, better graphics, better story, infinitely better dialogue. To say that it's Oblivion w/guns is really a disservice to Fallout 3 it's so much more then that, but that's the easiest way to really describe it and I loved Oblivion.
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Winfrey
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Can you still knife a rat in the groin?
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kryyst
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Haven't tried knifing any creatures in the groin yet. I prefer not to get that close to irradiated giant cockroaches, giant scorpions or dogs. Personally I prefer to shoot things in their stupid faces and pop their heads off like dandelion fluff. Only more red, bloody and skull fragmenty, but you get the point.
Gnome Queen
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I'm pissed that you can't kill kids anymore. Damn moral agenda.
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kryyst
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You can probably blame the Aussie's for that one.
Crazy Joe
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I'm pissed that you can't kill kids anymore. Damn moral agenda.
I have yet to see kids in the game, but you sure can nuke an entire "city" and that's pretty immoral.
UPSWeezer
Ninja Warrior
UPSWeezer
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I have yet to see kids in the game, but you sure can nuke an entire "city" and that's pretty immoral.
Are you leaning towards the bad karma.
UPSLynx
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I want it badly, but since you went ahead and got Warhead, Weezer, I guess that's my next purchase...
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Crazy Joe
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Are you leaning towards the bad karma.
I'm pretty sure making the choice to nuke the town pretty much kills any chance I had of being good.
UPSWeezer
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I want it badly, but since you went ahead and got Warhead, Weezer, I guess that's my next purchase...
I didn't just go get it. A friend bought it, his pc didn't cut it and he gave it to me.
UPSWeezer
Ninja Warrior
UPSWeezer
794 Posts
So I have a question for all of you that have it.

Is it hard or cumbersome to manage your radiation level?
Snarkasm
The Photographer.
Snarkasm
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Not that I've found.
Winfrey
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Winfrey
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So I have a question for all of you that have it.

Is it hard or cumbersome to manage your radiation level?
Not really. Is there a serious problem with radiation poisoning besides losing endurance? I did a quest that now when I get seriously radiated my crippled limbs heal

Also there were definitely at least two children in that city you nuked Joe, so there are kiddies in the game.
Snarkasm
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Yep. Kids do exist, you're just not allowed to kill them except via a big plot point like that.
Crazy Joe
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Yep. Kids do exist, you're just not allowed to kill them except via a big plot point like that.
So do they have infinite hitpoints or something?
Snarkasm
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Not sure, I've never tried. Bullets and stuff might just go right through them.
UPSWeezer
Ninja Warrior
UPSWeezer
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What happens to the Child Killer trait thing then. Is it gone?
Snarkasm
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There is also a third kind of restriction on player freedom in the game, one that forbids a particular action both technically possible and narratively plausible.

In Fallout 3, you cannot kill children.

Writing for Edge Online this week, lead designer Emil Pagliarulo explained the decision to restrict murder to men, women, and animals in the game, forbidding the use of violence against children, something that was present in the previous Fallout titles.

"We began to think, really what benefit would there be in killing the kids?" he says. "It just seems gratuitous, unnecessary and cruel."

Pagliarulo states that killing children using Fallout 3's impressive engine is not something that would have passed ESRB checks anyway. That some violent games have grisly features cut or dulled in order to secure a specific rating is news to no-one, so why the need to elaborate on and justify the decision in the public sphere? Because, says Pagliarulo, the decision to self-moderate was a moral and ethical one.
Children are invincible and will run away when attacked.
So no, there's no Child Killer trait.
UPSLynx
The Dean of Computer Graphics
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so, for those who have the game, would you say that Fallout 3 has 'lost it's balls' when you compare it to the older games?

To say that Fallout3's 'impressive engine' would make the killing even worse is borderline absurd. fallout2 used very detailed sprites - especially with blood and gore. Seeing a kid's head shot off in Fallout2 is no different then seeing it in 3D in Fallout 3. In some cases, Sprite based 2D games had more photo-real graphics than many 3D games do (though, that trend is finally being eclipsed).
Snarkasm
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Not having played the previous games, I can't very well compare them, but I take great pleasure whipping out the sniper rifle and taking off a super-mutant's head and the resultant pop and spray that generates - even without the VATS slo-mo enhancement. There's nothing about the game that says to me, "This must be a toned-down version, how sad." I haven't found anything that doesn't exist that makes me think they must have censored it.

Honestly, not being able to kill children didn't even cross my mind until other people brought it up, and it doesn't at all affect my gameplay... but then I'm not playing to be evil like Joe is, so maybe it's a real problem for him.

What I AM annoyed with a little bit is the lack of real open-worldedness. When I'm in a city and I'm forced to take only two roads because every other street is conveniently blocked off by a mountain of rubble (that I should really be able to climb, but can't), it takes away from the immersion I was otherwise feeling.
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I know Fallout 3 has been neutered, because of the Aussie incident. But in playing it I haven't ever came to a situation where I was crippled by whatever bits they had to remove. Now that being said compared to the original Fallout games where you could become a slaver have sex with prostitutes and kill children. Yes this game is limited. But it's not like my game play is suffering from it. However I suppose if you wanted to be 'that guy' in Fallout 3, then yes you'd feel the game has lost it's balls.

However like Snark I'm finding it extremely cathartic to see limbs and heads been blown off in slow-mo through the VATS system in extremely over the top fashion. It's fun and there is some strategy to it. For example, if your head armour is wearing down, find an enemy with similar head armour and kill him, by not damaging his head for example.

Bottom line is if you liked Oblivion and it's style of play you should find very much to enjoy in Fallout 3. It is in a nutshell Oblvion with guns, but it's been improved in almost every way.
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What I AM annoyed with a little bit is the lack of real open-worldedness. When I'm in a city and I'm forced to take only two roads because every other street is conveniently blocked off by a mountain of rubble (that I should really be able to climb, but can't), it takes away from the immersion I was otherwise feeling.
This would annoy me all to hell! One of the greatest things about oblivion for me is how limitless movement is. Want to get on that building and drop down to kill those bandits? Do it. Can't quite jump up there? Go train your acrobatics for a couple points, then come back.

I haven't played any of the Fallouts and I haven't tried this one yet (too engrosed in FC2), but hopefully with time I will be able to try them.
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Honestly, not being able to kill children didn't even cross my mind until other people brought it up, and it doesn't at all affect my gameplay... but then I'm not playing to be evil like Joe is, so maybe it's a real problem for him.
I never noticed this at all either. Like I said, I've not even encountered any children in the game. I would never try to kill them in game anyways. My character is only killing people if there is a reason to do so (some profit in it or such.) Killing children wouldn't really accomplish anything.
Snarkasm
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Bingo.

Though I'm surprised you haven't met children yet, there have been a few in every town I've gone to.
Crazy Joe
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I've only been to Megaton (since esploded) as a major town. No other major towns except "Big" Town.
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I originally wasnt going to bluw up Megaton, but seeing how much of a rude person the tavern keeper was, I decided 'this town is full of rude people', and blew it to kingdom come. Good ridance.

I've also found that simply by doing mishions you become evil, going against what you are told in missions will get you good karma. I set out in the game for good karma, but im a Reaper now XP
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It has less to do with doing or not doing the missions, and more about picking the humane or ethical choice or being a jerk to everybody.
Crazy Joe
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I originally wasnt going to bluw up Megaton, but seeing how much of a rude person the tavern keeper was, I decided 'this town is full of rude people', and blew it to kingdom come. Good ridance.

I've also found that simply by doing mishions you become evil, going against what you are told in missions will get you good karma. I set out in the game for good karma, but im a Reaper now XP
I think that depends on the mission. If evil people give you missions, if you contradict what they ask you'll gain good karma. If you do "good" missions and waver it'll give you bad karma. The same for killing people. If you kill bad people you get good karma, and vice versa. One time for kicks I snuck up behind Tenpenny and put a grenade in his pocket while he was sniping at the wastes and it blew him clean off the balcony. This gave me good karma. I love putting grenades in people's pockets while pickpocketing. I take, but I still give back. LOL.
UPSLynx
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I'm not condoning the murdering of children, or even suggesting it's a crucial piece of Fallout gameplay. It wasn't about you killing the kids. It was about the fact that you could. That was what made Fallout so groundbreaking. you could do anything you wanted to, no matter how twisted your mind was.

But the game also doesn't hinge on the ability to do so, either. I'm not disappointed with that removal. I'm more worried that it just feels like Fallout. Some of those controversial things in the first two games are exactly the kind of things that defined it to me.

Fallout 3 is a touchy subject for me because I hold the first two games in VERY high regard. Fallout 2 is within my top 10 favorite games of all time.
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Not fond of the genre but this sounds like an interesting game.
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Not fond of the genre but this sounds like an interesting game.
Of which? The RPG, fps, or turn-based genre?
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Whatever the hell that's not human.
Winfrey
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I'm not condoning the murdering of children, or even suggesting it's a crucial piece of Fallout gameplay. It wasn't about you killing the kids. It was about the fact that you could. That was what made Fallout so groundbreaking. you could do anything you wanted to, no matter how twisted your mind was.

But the game also doesn't hinge on the ability to do so, either. I'm not disappointed with that removal. I'm more worried that it just feels like Fallout. Some of those controversial things in the first two games are exactly the kind of things that defined it to me.

Fallout 3 is a touchy subject for me because I hold the first two games in VERY high regard. Fallout 2 is within my top 10 favorite games of all time.
I hear you Lynx. I played the first and second one a lot but never completed them (I always ended up starting over). So far, I can't decide if this is fallout in fps mode or oblivion with guns. It seems I am reminded of both in a lot of situations.

On balance I would say the fallout universe has been justly represented. The gun models, character models, types of quests, character development all give gracious nods to the fallout series. As far as the gross violence or the ability to rape, kill, murder at your own discretion it isn't quite as what it was in the originals. Unfortunately the climate for these actions in games has noticeably gotten colder these days than when fallout made its debut.

But, every time I pull out the Chinese sword or struggle to climb around rocks I am reminded of Oblivion. Not terrible in itself but maybe not what everyone is looking for? I dunno, as I play it now I have few gripes. I wish there were turns for when you activate V.A.T.S. so that you don't have to wait in real time for your AP to regenerate or making the local map look less like green vomit and more recognizable. However I have yet to feel like the fallout series has been dealt an injustice or that major aspects of fallout have been forgotten.

I still like it quite a bit despite my insanely lofty standards not quite being met. Then again I don't think any game has done that...
UPSLynx
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Well stated Winfrey. I'm becoming more comfortable with the fact of what the game is the more I read comments on it. I'm still skeptical, and will be until the game is installed on my hard drive.

Can you aim for the groin in VATS? That's pretty important to me...
Winfrey
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Can you aim for the groin in VATS? That's pretty important to me...
Unfortunately no. And really can you make someone want to die more than when you blow their gonads off?

Nor do you "aim" per se with melee weapons which is kinda lame. (I still want to play through using almost exclusively melee weapons though, just for shits and giggles.)

Also the Rock-it launcher is awesome, I've killed so many ghouls with the same box of detergent
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So apparently the Australian ban on Fallout 3 was for it's depiction of drug use in the game not the violence or anything else. So the ability to not kill children or removal of groin shots etc... was just a choice Bethesda made.

No groin shots, no fart jokes, I'm not losing any sleep from them being removed. I am though losing sleep from playing this game during the whee hours.
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There are fart jokes. Three Dog cracks fart jokes on the radio in game...

I dabbled with Fallout 1 and 2 but never got too deep into them so I really don't know if I'd miss being "that guy." I think the options you are given in Fallout 3 are pretty sweet. The dialogue really works for me.

Honestly, I don't enjoy the way heads and limbs detach so easily in combat. It's graphic and over the top, which usually I'd find to be funny but in this case, not so much. I guess when they go to such great lengths to make the world of Fallout real, it runs counter to what goal. They've done a great job at making Fallout real. It's incredibly fleshed out and everywhere you go you get the feeling that life in that world in hopeless.

It's good for the players to connect with characters, but at the same time, it's hard to play a game when you know that no matter what, your actions can't really do anything to improve the situation. I don't find myself wanting to get involved in Fallout 3 for that reason. From what I've found, everything ends in sorrow. After a stressful day at work, I don't need a downer.
Winfrey
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Winfrey
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Geez buddyj way to be depressing!
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So apparently the Australian ban on Fallout 3 was for it's depiction of drug use in the game not the violence or anything else. So the ability to not kill children or removal of groin shots etc... was just a choice Bethesda made.

No groin shots, no fart jokes, I'm not losing any sleep from them being removed. I am though losing sleep from playing this game during the whee hours.
The ONLY difference between the Ausie version and the regular version is that "Morphine" was renamed to "Med-X"

That's it.
Gate28
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The ONLY difference between the Ausie version and the regular version is that "Morphine" was renamed to "Med-X"

That's it.
Its Med-X in US too...well, it is in mine at least.

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I was exteremely disappointed with the end. It kinda just ended. No bang, no flash, no nothing. It was kinda fun killing things down the street with Liberity Prime, but getting into the chamber and finishing the game was bad. First game EVER to leave me angry. I also heard that if Fawkes is in your party, you cant make him go into the radiation chamber and enter the code, even though hes immue to radiation. EITHER YOU OR THE CHICK HAS TO DIE. Epic contenuity fail.

I dont really care that the ending was totally lame, but the part what really screwed me is that you can't play past the ending. Bad move Bethesda.



I still loved the game, though, 9.5/10, without counting the above
UPSWeezer
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I have a weakness for spoilers...
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Fallout 3 was a large letdown for me. It felt like Oblivion: Guns & Future expansion. Not worth the purchase. IMO. Just rent it or borrow it from a friend.
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