New Mobo......XP install problems.

dragonV8dragonV8 not here much New
edited February 2004 in Hardware
Just can't win a trick.

Took our puter to the shop today, thinking the Mobo was faulty due to problems yesterday. Turns out, we put the USB plug into a Firewire connector on the board..(so who's the dummy?). Pins are the same as USB.

Shop was happy everything was OK.

Formatted HD in around 10 min. (WD JB 80gig). Absolute breeze. Next load XP.
Got to 34min stage and stalled. At around 45min mark, a message came up.

"The Software you are installing for this hardware:

Disk Drive

Has not passed windows logo testing to verify its compatibility with windows XP.

Contact hardware or software manufacturer, ETC, ETC.

Clicked "Yes" to carry on.

Next same message for "USB ROOT HUB".

Clicked "Yes" to carry on.

Next same message for "Mouse".

Clicked "NO". Now it is still carrying on with install.

Now has blue error screen with a heap of info.
Key words: "Kernel_Data_Inpage_Error"

Computer has new Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000pro2 mobo, new Intel 3.20 processor. 2 x 512 new matched Ram. New Thermaltake colour coded keyboard to match case. Still using our MS Intellipoint wireless Explorer mouse.
Harddisk C: is fairly new and was used for a short time in other P4 2.4g computer.
Harddisk d: is in as slave for data backup out of old computer. 60g Seagate.
CD burner E: (Master) is in use for XP, also out of other computer.
DVD burner F: (Slave) is also out of old computer.
As we have had a fair amount of problems with old computer, XP disk has been used quite a few times. We did make a backup copy of this to preserve the original.

Cannot think of anything else that may be relevant at this time.
It is possible we have done something wrong, though i am fairly sure we followed the instructions OK, except did have a misunderstanding with a USB plug into a firewire socket on the new Mobo. Me bad. :scratch:

Thanks

Jon & Sally
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  • ShortyShorty Manchester, UK Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    Jon,

    Try installing with just a single hard drive plugged.
    Check the jumpers on the drives.
    Single stick of memory in.
    Make sure you are using lax memory timings.
    Not running overclocked.

    Do all the usual checks mate :)

    Sounds like something is upsetting the installation and causing some corruption.
  • dragonV8dragonV8 not here much New
    edited February 2004
    Shorty wrote:
    Jon,

    Try installing with just a single hard drive plugged.
    Check the jumpers on the drives.
    Single stick of memory in.
    Make sure you are using lax memory timings.
    Not running overclocked.

    Do all the usual checks mate :)

    Sounds like something is upsetting the installation and causing some corruption.

    Hi Shorty, thanks for replying.

    "Try installing with just a single hard drive plugged." Easy fix for me, unplug.

    "Check the jumpers on the drives." This was set by head-tech at shop, confirmed ok with jumper in master position. Can remove jumper if need be, which brings it to: Single or Master. (Seen that this morning)

    "Single stick of memory in." Easy fix. Remove 1 x 512 from slot 3??? Was set up for HT. (hope i got that one right).

    "Make sure you are using lax memory timings." Hmmm, now you got me. Could you elaborate please.

    "Not running overclocked." Everything was set up as per book. Is it possible to have wrong bios setup, causing our probs??

    J & S
  • ShortyShorty Manchester, UK Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    Ok.. just the windows drive and set the jumpers on it to "cable select" :)

    Remove a stick of memory.. yep :)

    As you aren't overclocking or tweaking, ignore the last two comments about timings and overclocking ;)
  • dragonV8dragonV8 not here much New
    edited February 2004
    Hi Shorty - Sally here using Jon's thread. Do you have any thoughts about the BIOS, as I'm not all that familiar with BIOS other than change the boot drives. I have set it up according to the gigabyte mobo manual, but do not understand it

    Regards Sally
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited February 2004
    Since you most likey didnt change any of the settings shorty mentioned you dont really need to worry about that. ONce you got XP installed you can tweak the BIOS settings more.

    Since you have only one HDD installed the jumpers should be ok. Just add the other HDD back in when you want to use it.

    Click yes to all those XP compatibility. I have never gotten those whe installing Xp I dont think. I have when installing drivers I think tho. Its not really a big deal. You might want to try using the backup CD just in case the one you were using has a scratch or something.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    www.memtest.org
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited February 2004
    Got the URL right this time.

    Download this and unzip it to a floppy. Well first make it bootable by reformatting it and checking the "Create an MS-DOS startup disk." The unzip it to the floppy. Reboot and it will test your memory. Make sure its set to boot off of that first.

    http://www.memtest.org/download/memtest86p111_floppy.zip
  • dragonV8dragonV8 not here much New
    edited February 2004
    Changed HD jumper as per Shorty's suggestion. Cable select.

    Now when we reboot, it states we do NOT have a HD.
    Checked to ensure the HD plug is PRIMARY.
    Pushed both plugs in till puter nearly fell off the desk.

    Any thoughts.....Please.
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited February 2004
    Just set it back to the way you had both of them on there. Just dont have any other HDDs in there besides the one you want the OS on.
  • ShortyShorty Manchester, UK Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    Change the single drive back to master and make sure it's on the last of the two connectors on the cable :)

    My actual reasoning for doing all of this is to be absolutely sure that your board hasn't gone south from having the firewire in the USB.
  • dragonV8dragonV8 not here much New
    edited February 2004
    Before computers, if we wanted exitement, we would just party.

    How life changes.

    BILL GATES, THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!!!!!!!!!! :shakehead
  • ShortyShorty Manchester, UK Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    Well, this is reputedly the "joy" of computers :wtf: I think we were all lied to :rant:
  • edcentricedcentric near Milwaukee, Wisconsin Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    Do you have a non-usb mouse to use during the install? Keeping the hardware as simple as possible will ease the installation.
    Some hdd have a setting for single in addition to master/slave/CS. Use the single setting, the connection on the very end of the cable, and use a new cable. The cables have caused me untold grief over the years.
    I have only installed XP once, for my Dad. It went so smooth I can't even remember the process.
  • dragonV8dragonV8 not here much New
    edited February 2004
    As for some reason the "selct cable" did not work, we set the jumper on "Single or Master". We disconnected the Slave out of the system. Also removed 1 x 512 out of slot 3.

    This was to no avail. Not sure if the format is working properly as it takes quite awhile, then start setup of XP, this keeps getting stuck on "34 minutes to go".

    I have just taken the WD out and put the 80gig Seagate back in we removed some time ago. This still had XP on it, but would not work. Sally is trying to do a "Repair on it at the moment. Sofar this also failed at 34 minutes, straight after asking about a (driver??) from the audigy soundcard. I have now removed the card and are in the process (of elimination) to have another go.

    Hmmm, wonder if i can still buy an abacus somewhere,lol. Trying to maintain my sense of humour.

    Jon & Sally (busy @ keyboard)
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited February 2004
    Maybe the CD is bad. Have you tried the backup?
  • EyesOnlyEyesOnly Sweden New
    edited February 2004
    After all you've done maybe clearing the cmos might help. I don't know if it will but it can't really hurt.
  • dragonV8dragonV8 not here much New
    edited February 2004
    We are trying the backup XP disk now, though still having problems.
    If it is the disk for sure, i'll use my XP disk from the laptop. This has hardly been used.
    XP setup is running it's course again, but not for long. Stuck on 18%. HD active light is flashing like a on/off traffic beacon. Very steady, very constant.

    We have played with puters a little bit in the past, but this time the problems seam worse than ever. Just gone 2:30 am. Might have to have another strong coffee. HHMMMM, coffee.

    Trying the old seagate disk has done nothing. Swapped it back for the WD 800JB.
    Whilst Sally was busy trying to fix her puter, i got stuck into putting the old P4 2.4Gig back together. Sally is having a look to see if we can get it to work with the 80Gig Seagate. Atleast we'll have a better idea if it is a HD problem.
    Should the old P4 run ok and have the networking setup, i can see if it will go online.
    If so.....another folding machine.
  • dragonV8dragonV8 not here much New
    edited February 2004
    Mini Updated News.....

    The Seagate 80Gig HD is ok. I put it in the old P4 and sofar everything looks good.
    Also, Sally used her XP disk and it works ok. :smiles:

    This, i believe, eliminates some of the possible problems we are having with the new computer.

    Where to look next. The new one is still at 18% in setup mode. Yuk, Yuk, Yuk!!!!!

    Pull it to bits and put it back together?? Don't know which way to go. :crazy:

    I'm quite happy, i managed to rebuild the old one from a box full of parts. This was virgin territory for me. Works first time. :clap: Still setting up the networking etc, but Sally has a good handle on that.

    The new 2004 model Abacus (trying to keep my humour :-/ )still has us bamboozled. :crazy:
  • edcentricedcentric near Milwaukee, Wisconsin Icrontian
    edited February 2004
    1) GET SOME SLEEP. I try to never work after about 10pm if I have to get up the next day. Other wise I start making stupid mistakes.
    2) Take the damn thing apart and start again. CPU, cooler, one ram, video card, one hdd and the floppy. Re-set the bios to defaults using the jumper (unplug the computer, move it over to the other pins, wait 30sec, move it back). Boot using an boot disk in the floppy. Then start the install. It sounds like a conflict of some kind.

    Hey, one down and one to go. It really isn't that hard. But it can be a frustrating as raising a teenager.
  • dragonV8dragonV8 not here much New
    edited February 2004
    EyesOnly wrote:
    After all you've done maybe clearing the cmos might help. I don't know if it will but it can't really hurt.

    This is definitely unknown territory for us. I'll just go and take 2 valium and see my doctor in the morning.

    Trying to be serious, but if i do, i'll possibly use the new puter as a wheel chock. However, now i have cleared my mind a little, is this where you take the battery out of the mobo for a while??
  • dragonV8dragonV8 not here much New
    edited February 2004
    Edcentric, i would love to get some sleep, it's just that i have to fly back to the minesite 6:00am monday. It's easy to leave it awhile, though since i was still feeling quite good, keeping busy, i figured it is either going to be fixed or i will have more knowledge of the problem to pass onto the guys at the computer shop before the weekend as i cannot leave Sally without a working computer.

    I could ask her to use the new folding machine, but folding is more important would you not agree, lol. Sally is a night-owl and stays up till daylight. I was really just keeping her company and must have had enough coffee to keep awake.

    I did a printout of your suggestions for Sally so she can sit at the puter and follow the instructions. The last couple of suggestions take us into unchartered waters, so it is a bit scary in a sense. Us oldies have to think of the old tickers, lol.

    Thanks again guys, this gives us another avenue to follow. The rotten thing has been sitting @ 18% in setup for ages. Got sick of looking at it so switched it off for awhile. Now on with your suggestions. Hopefully it will be something as simple as Cmos or Bios. Can't get any worse can it.

    Cheerio

    Jon & Sally
  • EyesOnlyEyesOnly Sweden New
    edited February 2004
    The mobo manual should have instruction on how to clear the cmos. It could be the bios (and let's for your sake hope it is) but i'm starting to think that the mob is fubar. :( Rebuilding the whole thing from scratch can help. Maybe something isn't sitting properly and it just happens to jump into place then. Or the disc isn't good. I'm lost of what it can be and so are the ones who are more experienced then me too. :)

    So clear the cmos and see what happens. It wont do any harm but if there's hardware conflict then it might help. Don't worry about the bios. You should be able to build and run a new computer without worrying about it.
  • JonshandbrakeJonshandbrake PERTH, WESTERN AUSTRALIA Member
    edited February 2004
    G'day EyesOnly. Thanks for the reply. As you would have read from the postings, we have been awake since yesterday morning, wednesday 18/02/04. We actually pulled the little battery out of the board and this seems to have done the trick to get us further than we had been before.

    Once things looked promising, we progressed quite nicely, loading XP setup. This got all the way to 96% and then all hell broke loose. Every file it tried to load refused to budge. Had to cancel to get to the next one. This went on till it was at 100%. Problem was, it included NTLDR and NTDETECT.

    Oh boy, more drama's. This has more drama than Peyton Place. (the oldies may remember this). Almost like "Days of our lives" only more action.

    Anyhow, sally rang a computer shop manager, who has sold us lots of stuff in the past and he said to bring the puter over and he'll fix it. This i did.

    Problem1. C: is a WD 80G JB. D: is a Seagate 60G disk. Apperently the 2 don't mix very well and both should be made by the same manufacturer.

    Problem2. It appears our XP disk is damaged and would not work properly. He used his disk and everything went smooth. Ours has a few small scratches, but nothing real bad. I have had some very old program disks worse than that and they worked ok.

    I got home a little while ago and at the moment sally is setting up everything we had on the old system. Sofar it seems ok. Got XP working, networking going, she is online and now she is preparing to download the backup data from D:. The way we are doing that is another story. Just hope it works.

    The "old" P4 2.4 i put back together last night is all setup and working ok now. I'm actually using it now, though it is setup to logon in sally's handle. (JonsHandbrake).
    We set up F@H on this one too, so now we have 3 puters folding. Once we know for sure sally's new (problem) puter is running ok, we will shift our questions over to the folding section, as we need to find out how to set up 2 x Consoles for her.
    That will make it the equivalent of 5 puters. Next we want to know about this thing called SSE, etc. Need more points/WU's. All for the good of mankind ofcourse and the competitive spirit.

    There you go, another part of our continueing saga.

    Cheerio

    Jon & Sally
  • profdlpprofdlp The Holy City Of Westlake, Ohio
    edited February 2004
    Many Folding questions can be answered at our New to the team page. There is even more great information at the Everything about F@H page.

    If what you find there sounds like greek, it might be easier to just start a "How do I..?" thread over there. One of the advantages of being on Team 93 is that we have many of the most knowledgeable folks around to help you out. They've even been able to help me! :p

    Congrats on getting things going. :woowoo:
  • EyesOnlyEyesOnly Sweden New
    edited February 2004
    It's good to know thing are working out for you. I've seen some pretty messed up disc myself without that kind of problems so maybe you just got unlucky. As for the drives having to be from the same brand that surpriced me. Didn't know it had to. I'm using 2 drives myself but they'ree both wd.

    My advice is. Get some sleep and let the computer get the same. Looks like it's needed. :D Let's hope you don't run into other problems. The links prof gave you should help you get into folding. Happy folding. :fold:
  • FlintstoneFlintstone SE Florida
    edited February 2004
    I will give my experience on this just for the sake of talking, as it seems that you've gotten it worked out. I have had what appears to be a fubarred disk screw up an XP install before but the real culprit turned out to be the drive reading the CD. Just built a new puter based on an NF7-S Rev 2 and couldn't get XP Pro to load. Files corrupt, etc. Was trying to load it off of a brand new Lite-on 52X32X52X burner/drive and I tried unsuccessfully 4 times until frustrated. (I frustrate easily!) After calling MS and requesting a new disk (which they happily sent, by the way) I tried the install using the DVD-rom instead of the burner. Went without a hitch!! Got the new XP cd the other day and now have an extra licensed copy to put on another puter. This happened with a copy of Office 2000 a couple of years ago too which is what prompted me to try the other drive. I got another 4 copies of Office too, but that's another story!! Anyway, it's the slower read speed of the dvd-rom, I assume, that allows the install. The disk may have a problem, I don't know for sure, but the slower speed allows it to install.

    Thanks for reading my verbose story and I hope it helps someone!!

    Flint :buck:
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited February 2004
    Problem 1: Thats bull****!!! He is talking out of his ass.

    Problem 2: One of my first suggestions. The XP disk was damaged.
  • FlintstoneFlintstone SE Florida
    edited February 2004
    Are you referring to me?
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited February 2004
    No, to the post by Sally. The 2 problems she mentioned. Sorry for the confusion.
  • FlintstoneFlintstone SE Florida
    edited February 2004
    Whew!! For a minute there I thought I'd developed a new talent as I'd never been able to talk out my ass before!!

    Brings to mind that TV commercial "He's got money coming out the wazoo!!"


    Flint
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