im gonna have to agree with Stephen on this one... just deal with it, because if the FAH project needs it computed, its our duty to do it. i mean after all, this isn't really a competition, we're doing it for a reason (and i've already beaten aaron so im dandy doing whatever comes my way )
There are good points to both sides, but I'll concur with mmonnin on this - deleting them says "I'm more concerned about points than about the actual project"... Don't delete them, it's just wrong. Obviously if Stanford is sending them out, they need them done. If you can't move them to another (more efficient) machine, then just buckle down and wait for it to finish.
80% of the folding community is just folding for the competition. Ok, it's just a guess from me, but i think it's pretty accurate. That's why i stopped.
80% of the folding community is just folding for the competition. Ok, it's just a guess from me, but i think it's pretty accurate. That's why i stopped.
80% of the folding community is just folding for the competition. Ok, it's just a guess from me, but i think it's pretty accurate. That's why i stopped.
Mack, I don't think it's that simple, at least for me. I fold for a variety of reasons:
1. Spare cpu cycles go toward a worthwhile cause.
2. This is a great community of mature, intelligent, thoughtful nerds. My system would not be as fast as it is had I not found these forums. I wanted to be a part of that.
3. Yeah, competition, that didn't really kick in until I saw 5 people coming up on my backside! LOL
Come on guys... Most people, WORLDWIDE, have something that they feel very committed to. A charity, a religion, a cause that they are personally attached to, and that is what fuels the world to change. Our lives (should be) are better than our ancestors because we strive to improve our lives and the lives of others. Medical research, heath care, and a better understanding of how our bodies work and what they need to exceed. You figure than human kind is taller, stronger, live longer, and generally better off than just 100 years ago. The advances of today will allow our children to be better than us. This excites me. Folding is my way to help by doing nothing more than leaving my PC’s on!!! Sweet, I’m helping my daughter and future daughter by embracing my nerdness.
Secondly, man-kind has been a creature of survival. Now that we do not (normally) need to fight and kill our food, we commonly find other means to compete. Some play sports, some just watch and rout for their team, some play online games, some play board games… Folding is another outlet for our competitive nature. There is no violence, no gore, and no innocent little creature that has to die to satisfy this competition.
Put these two arguments together you get a VERY compelling, duel purpose competitive research program. F@H is great… I’m in it for the long haul.
80% of the folding community is just folding for the competition. Ok, it's just a guess from me, but i think it's pretty accurate. That's why i stopped.
Over-enthusiasm in any direction can easily lead to arguments.
Nobody needs to justify themselves here at Short-Media. Relax, enjoy what you like doing best and have fun.
Over-enthusiasm in any direction can easily lead to arguments.
Nobody needs to justify themselves here at Short-Media. Relax, enjoy what you like doing best and have fun.
80% of the folding community is just folding for the competition. Ok, it's just a guess from me, but i think it's pretty accurate. That's why i stopped.
That's why I stopped folding for a long time, I though the community as a whole was much better a year or so ago. Then I folded under anon for a while. I got tired of basicly everything being driven by getting more points.
80% of the folding community is just folding for the competition. Ok, it's just a guess from me, but i think it's pretty accurate. That's why i stopped.
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I don't see why this is even relevant... Don't tell me you're not competitive in other parts of your life?
Competition is natural and healthy, you can get by in life without competing, but I wouldn't want to.
On the other side, Competition can be taken overboard, but folding is rather trivial compared to most competition.
Nowdays, many people don't even try to compete for jobs and the like, I could estimate as little as 20% of the work force is working competitively... but does that mean it's good or bad to compete for a job?
We have a good team going here, and together we can conquer the folding universe but we wouldn't be here if so many of the people weren't competing. And unlike competing for a job, this benefits the folding project... a LOT.
I would still be folding if there were no points but no way would I spend more and more money for more and more computers if there was no competition. Lets see I had My computer, my family computer and a P2 running for me before I moved out. Now I have 4 computers at the apartment, a Celeron, the P2 and the family computer all folding for me now. I built 4 more computers for FAH because of the competition.
UVJVS_Lab would not be folding if the teacher had not thought it was a good idea to help cure diseases. He doesnt care about the competition but rather about curing diseases.
Oh CS, you are so well spoken.
I view folding as a hobby. It happens to be one that can help other people.
The points help me gage how I am doing compared to others. I don't need, or want to win. Just do well.
I take the wu's as they come and try to hang in there.
I do agree though, competition isn't the only aspect of folding. I'd still do it if there wasn't any ratings, though they just add more fun to it and incentive to make more computers fold :P
Well, I think we've beat this horse just about to death; it's time to shoot it in the head and put it out of it's misery. Dumping WU's is something people feel strong about, one way or the other and to keep harping on what someone else is doing and sniping at each other will just hurt the cohesiveness of this team and I don't want that to happen.
If you feel that you have to dump WU's, then do what your conscience tells you to do. But if you are dumping WU's then please keep it to yourself as this goes against the grain of quite a few folks involved with this project also. I'm staying neutral in this as I see both side's viewpoints.
I'm locking this thread down unless someone can come up with a good reason for it to stay open without it becoming a "controversial" thread, like we haven't seen in a long time, especially in this forum.
If someone has a good reason to unlock this thread, PM me or keebs and we'll discuss the situation.
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Then that makes you one of the 80%.
1. Spare cpu cycles go toward a worthwhile cause.
2. This is a great community of mature, intelligent, thoughtful nerds. My system would not be as fast as it is had I not found these forums. I wanted to be a part of that.
3. Yeah, competition, that didn't really kick in until I saw 5 people coming up on my backside! LOL
Secondly, man-kind has been a creature of survival. Now that we do not (normally) need to fight and kill our food, we commonly find other means to compete. Some play sports, some just watch and rout for their team, some play online games, some play board games… Folding is another outlet for our competitive nature. There is no violence, no gore, and no innocent little creature that has to die to satisfy this competition.
Put these two arguments together you get a VERY compelling, duel purpose competitive research program. F@H is great… I’m in it for the long haul.
Well that's a weird way to make a point...
Over-enthusiasm in any direction can easily lead to arguments.
Nobody needs to justify themselves here at Short-Media. Relax, enjoy what you like doing best and have fun.
Gentle persuasion is allowed though, so
GET FOLDING
Cheers
Crypto
Well said, Crypto!!!:smokin:
-Aranyic
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I don't see why this is even relevant... Don't tell me you're not competitive in other parts of your life?
Competition is natural and healthy, you can get by in life without competing, but I wouldn't want to.
On the other side, Competition can be taken overboard, but folding is rather trivial compared to most competition.
Nowdays, many people don't even try to compete for jobs and the like, I could estimate as little as 20% of the work force is working competitively... but does that mean it's good or bad to compete for a job?
We have a good team going here, and together we can conquer the folding universe
Anyhow I don't feel like ranting anymore
-Stephen
UVJVS_Lab would not be folding if the teacher had not thought it was a good idea to help cure diseases. He doesnt care about the competition but rather about curing diseases.
I view folding as a hobby. It happens to be one that can help other people.
The points help me gage how I am doing compared to others. I don't need, or want to win. Just do well.
I take the wu's as they come and try to hang in there.
-Stephen
If you feel that you have to dump WU's, then do what your conscience tells you to do. But if you are dumping WU's then please keep it to yourself as this goes against the grain of quite a few folks involved with this project also. I'm staying neutral in this as I see both side's viewpoints.
I'm locking this thread down unless someone can come up with a good reason for it to stay open without it becoming a "controversial" thread, like we haven't seen in a long time, especially in this forum.
If someone has a good reason to unlock this thread, PM me or keebs and we'll discuss the situation.
muddocktor