My new system specs
Well i don't know exactly when i can order but it doesn't seems to be long now. In the meanwhile i need your input on the stuff i'm getting. This will be a long list but just bear with me.
Well lets start with the standalone dvd that i was thinking about. This of course has nothing to do with a computer but i'm planning on getting one anyway. I was thinking about Pioneer DV-464. Also what do you think about dvd-audio, sacd. Is it worth to have or best to wait. If it is worth getting then that dvd won't work.
Connected to the dvd will be the Logitech Z-680 speakers. Will these play sacd. I don't think that i will be able to connect them to the computer because of its location but at least i'll get some nice movie sound.
Since i want nice and tidy cabling then round cables from Ac ryan seemed good. I'll also be getting myself a new mousepad. I have as a habit to do that when i switch computer which doesn't happen often.
Some have said that an antistatic wristband isn't needed. I'm not taking any chances.
Time for some more intersting specs.
The box will be an Chieftec DX-01B-D-U. I've been looking at so many brands but settles for this one. I was planning on switching out the builtin psu (which if i understand it correct is a Sirtech) and put it in my current rig. The psu in it is 5 years now and the fan is really noicy. Will prolly break any moment. In the new rig i'm planning on getting a fortron 350w psu. Quite and good.
More specs are.
Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe
Crucial PC3200 DDR-DIMM
AMD Athlon XP2800+
I could prolly get by with an slower cpu but this will last me some years i hope. The mobo is fine. Sure there are cheeper versions of it but gb-lan could come in use some day. I think i said every thing i can say about the ram and just to be clear no clocking in any direction will be done on this rig. Just stock.
More is a sony discdrive. Might not be needed but feels good to have. A Seagate Barracuda 160GB S-ATA harddrive and last but least a NEC DVD-burner ND-2500A,Bulk black. Is this good. It seems that way.
Now for more important stuff like videocard. At first i was thinking about 9800 xt but with all the stuff going on now and pci-express comming in a few months i thought of the 9600. It will be alot better the the ones in my sig and st least get me started. Is this a mistake. Should i go with the more expensive card. I will be doing alot of gaming.
And the cooling. As fans i was thinking about papst 80mm both in the case and on the cpu with a Thermalright SLK-947-U. I was thinking about have one in the front, one in the back. Would this work also with filters. I don't want uber coolness just silence but as stated earlier i don't want to underclock the cpu just to quiet it down. Would i be better of with a 92mm cpu fan same brand or could you reccomend me another brand that has silent fans. I know of panaflo but one of the places i'm ordering from doesn't have the in stock and the other don't even have that brand.
The last in this long post will be software.
Norton System Works Prof 2004 v7.0
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Norton Personal Firewall 2004
Roxio Easy CD & DVD Creator 6
Any ideas would be welcome. Now i'm off to sleep wondering why komplett just had to update their site now making me unable to suggest a dvdplayer that doeas take sacd. I know there is a pioneer but don't remember the number. I'll check tommorrow.
Well lets start with the standalone dvd that i was thinking about. This of course has nothing to do with a computer but i'm planning on getting one anyway. I was thinking about Pioneer DV-464. Also what do you think about dvd-audio, sacd. Is it worth to have or best to wait. If it is worth getting then that dvd won't work.
Connected to the dvd will be the Logitech Z-680 speakers. Will these play sacd. I don't think that i will be able to connect them to the computer because of its location but at least i'll get some nice movie sound.
Since i want nice and tidy cabling then round cables from Ac ryan seemed good. I'll also be getting myself a new mousepad. I have as a habit to do that when i switch computer which doesn't happen often.
Some have said that an antistatic wristband isn't needed. I'm not taking any chances.Time for some more intersting specs.
The box will be an Chieftec DX-01B-D-U. I've been looking at so many brands but settles for this one. I was planning on switching out the builtin psu (which if i understand it correct is a Sirtech) and put it in my current rig. The psu in it is 5 years now and the fan is really noicy. Will prolly break any moment. In the new rig i'm planning on getting a fortron 350w psu. Quite and good.More specs are.
Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe
Crucial PC3200 DDR-DIMM
AMD Athlon XP2800+
I could prolly get by with an slower cpu but this will last me some years i hope. The mobo is fine. Sure there are cheeper versions of it but gb-lan could come in use some day. I think i said every thing i can say about the ram and just to be clear no clocking in any direction will be done on this rig. Just stock.
More is a sony discdrive. Might not be needed but feels good to have. A Seagate Barracuda 160GB S-ATA harddrive and last but least a NEC DVD-burner ND-2500A,Bulk black. Is this good. It seems that way.
Now for more important stuff like videocard. At first i was thinking about 9800 xt but with all the stuff going on now and pci-express comming in a few months i thought of the 9600. It will be alot better the the ones in my sig and st least get me started. Is this a mistake. Should i go with the more expensive card. I will be doing alot of gaming.
And the cooling. As fans i was thinking about papst 80mm both in the case and on the cpu with a Thermalright SLK-947-U. I was thinking about have one in the front, one in the back. Would this work also with filters. I don't want uber coolness just silence but as stated earlier i don't want to underclock the cpu just to quiet it down. Would i be better of with a 92mm cpu fan same brand or could you reccomend me another brand that has silent fans. I know of panaflo but one of the places i'm ordering from doesn't have the in stock and the other don't even have that brand.
The last in this long post will be software.
Norton System Works Prof 2004 v7.0
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Norton Personal Firewall 2004
Roxio Easy CD & DVD Creator 6
Any ideas would be welcome. Now i'm off to sleep wondering why komplett just had to update their site now making me unable to suggest a dvdplayer that doeas take sacd. I know there is a pioneer but don't remember the number. I'll check tommorrow.
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Make sure to get 1GB of RAM as some games, along with XP and service will run you past 512 of RAM and you will Lag, horribly.
As for PCI Express, that would require almost a complete upgrade of your system: Vid card, mobo, and CPU. As you have it now, there wont be much upgrading of your system. The next step would be a socket change but thats for the future.;)
I like the Chieftec cases myself and I have the blue one w/window and side blow hole. I got mine just before newegg really started to sell more and more of a variety of them and before they had the front USB thing. I think this is the one you are getting?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-125-275&depa=1 Mine came with 2 fans in the abck but it doesnt seem that yous does but I would fill those spots with fans.
mmonin that's the case. If i fill up the rear fanmounts won't that make the rig alot less silent. I meant one gig of ram. You have to excuse me as i typed that at midnight and my brain wasn't really working well.
So i shouldn't plan for pci-express anytime in the future then. Well my computer would be expensive at start but i'll consider the 9800xt. I know that ATI will soon release another card but even so that would only make xt cheaper yet still last some years. I say xt because i feel like getting an asus and komplett doesn't have their pro. I don't know why i'm so stuck with asus. I'm also planning on ordering from www.overclockers.se. I forgot to say this last night incase someone is interested.
I don't want the nf7-s since it's a better oc:er and i would get tempted to oc.
All that stuff is a big waste of money unless you overclock.
Also, I really doubt you need Windows XP Pro. Windows XP Home would be fine (and much, much cheaper).
Finally, with that video card I'd reccomend a better PSU (both in output and brand). An Antec 400W Smartpower would be fine (or a Truepower 430 if you want quiet operation).
Also, isn't that particular ASUS board more expensive than the NF7-S? If it is, who cares if the NF7-S is the better O/C'er and you'd be tempted to O/C. The Asus boards O/C fairly well too so that temptation would still be present. Save the $ and get the NF7-S if it is cheaper.
BTW i think i'll take a Sapphire RADEON? 9800 ATLANTIS PRO ULTIMATE EDITION since it's fast, cheaper then 9800xt and according to another thread a good card.
What's wrong with that psu. Surely my system can't use that much power and the antec ones are powerfull, prolly quiet but the fortron seems quieter. Tobad i can't find a more powerfull fortron in sweden. I've lookd but can't find a reseller. I don't want to order from other countries.
Don't assume that i'm not an advanced windows user. If i wanted cheap i could stick to the version of xp that i have now but i don't want to use pirated software anymore that why i'm bying it.
One final quetion that i could and up regretting. How dangerous is overclocking. Could it be done safely even for a newbie. All this talk about oc:ing is wearing me down. If i wanted a mild oc which componets should i get that would be cheap yet not junk. Also the main goal of this rig is silence. If oc:ing somehow changes that then i'm out otherwise i just might try it.
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Just compaired the mobo prices. Differens was 217 SEK. Considering the price of what i'm bying that doesn't seem like getting the cheaper nf7 will get me that much unless i need to overclock.
I have two Athlon XP 1700+ CPUs. The default speed for those chips is 1.47GHz @ 1.5v. They both run stable at 2.3GHz using somewhere between 1.65v and 1.7v. I have a Athlon XP-M 2500+ (Mobile Barton) and I have it running at 2.5GHz and the vCore is around 1.75v. My systems haven't exploded. They all seem perfectly fine. If something does go wrong I don't think my overclocking will have contributed much, if any. (The 2.5GHz system is on an NF7-S, one of the 2.3GHz systems is on an NF7-S and the other 2.3GHz system is on an NF7. All are version 2.0 boards.)
ram
cpu
psu
chassi and cpufans
It must be cheap yet of a good brand and as quiet as possible. BTW should i consider noicekiller sounddampening. It's expensive but if it does its job it's fine.
CPU: Athlon XP-M 2500+ or Athlon XP-M 2600+ (I say XP-M rather than XP because the mobile chips are unlocked and therefore you can adjust the multiplier in the BIOS and since the voltage requirements for the mobile chips are lower there is more potential headroom for an overclock)
PSU: I like Antec. I have an Antec TruePower 430. I wouldn't recommend anything less than a 400W PSU (not necessarily because systems draw more than say a 350W unit can give, but I believe the 400W and higher PSUs are higher quality).
Chassis: Whatever you like best and can afford. You do want something with good cooling, so a mini-tower probably would not be the best pick.
CPU Fans: The higher the CFM rating the better, normally. an 80mm fan with a CFM of 60 will probably perform better than a 92mm fan with a CFM of 70 because much of the 92mm fan hangs over the HS and so that air is not doing as much to cool the CPU as it could by being blow directly into the HS.
The Asus board is still a good OCer. Not as good as the NF7 but you arent OCing so thats fine. The Asus does have more options which is good. A mild OC like 200MHz or so wont hurt your computer at all. Just getting a bit more for your money.
OCing gets expensive and noisey so what you have is fine.
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And why wd. What's wrong with seagate. I know they're not as fast but that i don't care about..
WD offers a very good warranty. I have 2 WD HDDs.
I had pretty much quit O/C'ing myself till I got my NF7-S. Then it made it so easy and reliable to O/C that it is now a normal thing to do.
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How about a 2500+. Found it at dataknuten.se
mobo: the asus
ram: crucial 3200
cpu: XP 2500+ Barton non M, or 2400+ Thornton. Which would be better to oc
vid.card: the sapphire i said above. Fast, cheaper then xt yet completly silent
external dvd: pioneer 565A. Lot's of features yet with a low price.
I've been thinking about using rca to 3,5 stereoplugs to connect the dvds analog output to the speakers. Seems like it could work. I'll also use optical for digital sound.
So how high could i safely go with one of those cpus, the ram and mobo. I'm still getting the slk 947U but what low noice fan do you reccomend. As said earlier it doeesn't have to be like 5C above ambient or something extreme as long as it's within specs. Those cpus look good even if not oc:d so i'll forget about the 2800.
I also need your input on this.
psu: silent but capable of running this
chassifans: how's papst, but how many. Would one in the rear per AMD spec be enough.
noice killer dampening mats. Can't find a homepage for them but they seem good. With them an antec psu might not such a bad idea.
Since raid is out of the question i'm sticking with the same harddrive.
Dataknuten.se loks like a good place to orderfrom but i'll check with the local computershop in town if they have mobile cpus. Spare me the shipping.
BTw is it worth getting a regfree dvdplayer. Just noticed that dataknuten have what i'm after.
And yes silence is what i want.
As for fan, high CFM 80mm would probably be your best bet, unless you want an ultra-high CFM 92mm.
Fan part number, JameCo, 185826CA
Connector shell, Female, 157382
Pins, female (the jacks), 100765
They also ship out a nice catalog with every order, qty one price for fan is from that current catalog.
IF you want quieter, not quite as fast, NOT sensing, try a Panaflo FBM08A12H, which is a 39.6 CFM fixed-rate always on fan unless you get a rheostat for it, non-sensing so you manually adjust it, and is priced exactly the same. It is a 32 DBa fan. Lower voltage draw, .22 Amps on 12 Volt line. Decent, quite quiet, no whistlinng as it is a SEALED hydrowave bearing. right now, the Barton box case fans and the P4 case fans are all Panaflos, that Panaflo number, JameCo part number 185834CA until they are out, they are closing them out. NOT UL, NOT CSA, Panasonic has not released the UL compliant rework yet for this fan in US. VERY good anyways.
I have used both, like the NMB better-- barton runs about 3-5 C cooler with the NMB sense fan. One is cooling my Barton 2500+ now, the previous fan was a Panaflo, and both let me run the Barton at 2 GHz without it dying or getting damaged. I live in Florida, hot northern part of REAL tropics. If you live up north, either would work for you.
Note, neither of these fans have LEDs or any fancy UV lightup plastic stuff.
John D.
How would a single excaust fan be. I have a 80mm AVC fan.
Model: C8025B12H
Noice: 24.3~31.8
Rpm: 1200~2600
Airflow: 12.62~30.24 cfm
Current draw: 0.086~0.16
Would it be enough to cool the case.
I just thought of something. As noticed i'm planning on ordering several programs. Several of them are oem version and to get them at that price i have to order a full computer. The problem is, if i don't order a cpu can it still be considered a computer or should i forget about the mobile and get a 2500+ non mobile just to be safe.
Just noticed this line from the windows page: Produktet kan bare kjøpes sammen med ny PC, prosessor, harddisk eller hovedkort. Why is there norwigian text in a swedish website. It's like that on several places. Oh well here's what it says: Product can only be bought together with a new pc, processor, hardrive or mobo.
Since i'm planning on ordering all that from them except a cpu i might not have to worry. Your thoughts please.
How do they get away with this? They sell lots of barebone computers without an operating system. When MS comes to check up on them they say "Yeah, we sold 842 systems and 647 OEM Licenses".
From reading this I think you're fine.:
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What i'm getting is know so what do you think. I need to now if i should chance anything. Since i'm wasting money getting an XP-M i'll deffently oc though i don't want too expensive ram and stuff and still want to keep it as quiet as i can. Sounds dampening?
psu: antec 430
cpufan: 80mm Panaflo M1A
Assuming i stick to the ram and mobo how good could i oc. Though i'm a newbie at it if i'm not mistaken i could up the multiplyer and leave the fsb alone and the memory wouldn't be affected much or am i wrong. I don't want to switch memory if i don't have to.
This discussion is feeling rather one sided. Please change that.
What's your budget, by the way?