A little overview:
Palominos can take 2.1v & TBreds can take 2.0v before "random sudden death".
*(Cooling does factor in but we'll over look that for now)
It is recommended to not overvolt by more than 15% if you want to receive the original life time of the processor.
how do you get 5 is to 8 as 8 is to 10? im saying, 1.8v on a Tbred is 0.3v over stock, 0.3v over stock for a palomino is 2.05v thats the ONLY comparison im making.
Juggah0 said how do you get 5 is to 8 as 8 is to 10? im saying, 1.8v on a Tbred is 0.3v over stock, 0.3v over stock for a palomino is 2.05v thats the ONLY comparison im making.
Nick
"3 is to 5 as 8 is to 10" -- They are related because 2 is the difference in both cases.
And yes, if you add .3 v to the stock voltages, your numbers do match up.... BUT.... we want the rise to be liner... meaning you need to use percentages.
Examples:
Correct:
Palomino: 1.75v + 15% = 2.0125 v
TBred: 1.65 + 15% = 1.8975 v
Juggah0 said okay, 1.8v is 0.3v over stock, thats the equivilant of giving your palomino 2.05v...something else to consider.
Nick
With all the above... a TBred @ 1.8v is a 20% overvolt.... while a Palomino @ 2.05 is a 17% overvolt. You may say only a 3% difference, but it DOES make a difference. Also keep in mind that comparing 2 different cores shouldn't be done for any real answers... because the amount that .1v does for each core is different.
Whats the difference? I would have thought the Tbred Bs were the sweater buy...so why are the regular ones ten and twenty bucks more?
Or are they all created equal? Which is the better buy?
In face they all are tbredB, even tho the first one didn't state it is, but you can tell by the stepping code of JIUHB, it's a tbredB.
as to which is a good buy i would say go for the
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0307) AMD $60.50
it seems like the best buy for me, 0307 are also really good overclockers.
Cooling: SK-700 with mechatronics fan
vcore: 1.7 (still pushing)
axda1700dut3c
jiuhb 0302xpmw
I got this a while ago, but my dorm at school was far to hot to see how far i could go. I'm also currently fsb limited by my ram, i need some new stuff, along with a new mobo. But alas, i am a poor college student.
Whats the difference? I would have thought the Tbred Bs were the sweater buy...so why are the regular ones ten and twenty bucks more?
Or are they all created equal? Which is the better buy?
In face they all are tbredB, even tho the first one didn't state it is, but you can tell by the stepping code of JIUHB, it's a tbredB.
as to which is a good buy i would say go for the
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0307) AMD $60.50
it seems like the best buy for me, 0307 are also really good overclockers.
Thx, gonna order one now so I have it for the new sys gettin built in a few weeks.
On a simpler note, I was talkin to a friend about overclocking and he brought up and interesting point...I had an answer but I wasn't sure. Thought I would toss it out to the experts here.
His question essentially was, whats the difference between a 1700+ thats OC'd up to 2.2ghz and a regular 3200+ running at 2.2ghz. I know the 3200 plus has the 400mhz FSB, which is what I told him, but I also pointed out that by jacking the FSB way up on the 1700+ you may come out with a similar speed there as well...thought thats the part I wasn't sure on.
A 200mhz FSB on a DDR board comes out to 400mhz right? Is that just the ram then? Meh, I think you get the question, I just dunno what ze answer is!
The Bartons have more Cache, so they're a bit faster compared to a same speed TBred. FSB also tips the AMD PR a bit.
But to answer an overall question: what's the difference between a stock 2.0 and an overclocked 2.0 performance wise.... (only looking at MHz) .... nothing.
So aside from the cache its virtually the same after you bump the FSB up to 200 or more. Thats what I figured, thats what I responded with...but I figured I'd double check it with the experienced OC maniacs before I said I was sure
Comments
Palominos can take 2.1v & TBreds can take 2.0v before "random sudden death".
*(Cooling does factor in but we'll over look that for now)
It is recommended to not overvolt by more than 15% if you want to receive the original life time of the processor.
So what you're stating is..
"3 is to 5 as 8 is to 10"
Does that mean anything? No.
Nick
"3 is to 5 as 8 is to 10" -- They are related because 2 is the difference in both cases.
And yes, if you add .3 v to the stock voltages, your numbers do match up.... BUT.... we want the rise to be liner... meaning you need to use percentages.
Examples:
Correct:
Palomino: 1.75v + 15% = 2.0125 v
TBred: 1.65 + 15% = 1.8975 v
Incorrect:
Palomino: 1.75 + .3 = 2.05v
TBred: 1.65 + .3 = 1.95v
With all the above... a TBred @ 1.8v is a 20% overvolt.... while a Palomino @ 2.05 is a 17% overvolt. You may say only a 3% difference, but it DOES make a difference. Also keep in mind that comparing 2 different cores shouldn't be done for any real answers... because the amount that .1v does for each core is different.
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred (TRAY)(JIUHB:0310XPMW) AMD $70.00
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0302) AMD $60.50
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0307) AMD $60.50
Whats the difference? I would have thought the Tbred Bs were the sweater buy...so why are the regular ones ten and twenty bucks more?
Or are they all created equal? Which is the better buy?
In face they all are tbredB, even tho the first one didn't state it is, but you can tell by the stepping code of JIUHB, it's a tbredB.
as to which is a good buy i would say go for the
AMD Athlon XP1700+ 1.47GHZ 384K 266 Tbred B (TRAY) (JIUHB:0307) AMD $60.50
it seems like the best buy for me, 0307 are also really good overclockers.
vcore: 1.7 (still pushing)
axda1700dut3c
jiuhb 0302xpmw
I got this a while ago, but my dorm at school was far to hot to see how far i could go. I'm also currently fsb limited by my ram, i need some new stuff, along with a new mobo. But alas, i am a poor college student.
Thx, gonna order one now so I have it for the new sys gettin built in a few weeks.
On a simpler note, I was talkin to a friend about overclocking and he brought up and interesting point...I had an answer but I wasn't sure. Thought I would toss it out to the experts here.
His question essentially was, whats the difference between a 1700+ thats OC'd up to 2.2ghz and a regular 3200+ running at 2.2ghz. I know the 3200 plus has the 400mhz FSB, which is what I told him, but I also pointed out that by jacking the FSB way up on the 1700+ you may come out with a similar speed there as well...thought thats the part I wasn't sure on.
A 200mhz FSB on a DDR board comes out to 400mhz right? Is that just the ram then? Meh, I think you get the question, I just dunno what ze answer is!
Edit: Damn them typos :banghead:
But to answer an overall question: what's the difference between a stock 2.0 and an overclocked 2.0 performance wise.... (only looking at MHz) .... nothing.
Clutch... look again
TBred 1700+:
FSB: 133MHz (266DDR)
Cache: 256K L2
Barton 3200+
FSB: 200MHz (400FSB)
Cache: 512K L2
:banghead: wrote the same thing twice, I was thinking it in my head but wasn't actually typing it :banghead: