9800 pro mix up

entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
edited May 2004 in Hardware
ok, i order my 9800 pro from here (terrible place, never do it, horrible service and slow as hell) http://www.buyxtremegear.com/r9800pro128.html now, it doesn't explicitly say it's built or powered by ati, but for more info it DOES point to ati.com . now i got it and assumed it was built by ati, but turns out it isn't, i CAN'T even find out who DID build it! the driver cd says powered by ati, but NO name brand, and nothing on the cd to point out who it might be. i'm seriously thinking of rma'ing this card ... i'm not sure it's up to par anyhow. 3dmark03 gave me 5700 and 5800 points, which is below what most get from what i'm hearing. i'm incredibly frustrated with buyxg right now
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  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    ok run 3dmark 2k1 and post those results I will look into it for yas too and post back what i can dig up
  • entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
    edited May 2004
    also, the reason i'm concerned about this is because, assuming i would get a built by card, i installed ati's drivers from their site instead of the ones on the cd ... not sure if it is any different but now i'm worried
  • entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
    edited May 2004
    3dmark01 won't run on here. i have dx9, even reinstalled it twice and it refuses to start.
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    Ok my guess is its a saphire 9800 pro IF the card in that pic you showed is exactly like that pic then its not built by ati


    http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=14-102-286-09.JPG/14-102-286-08.JPG/14-102-286-07.JPG/14-102-286-06.JPG/14-102-286-11.JPG

    If it was build by ati you would have the ati Sticker like this one

    Its not a power color
  • entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
    edited May 2004
    if it's a sapphire, i can live with that as they are a good brand. either way, i'm gonna take it out and take a pic and post it here to see what's up. btw, wouldn't sapphire have their own drivers and be proud of who they are and say it's by sapphire instead of nothing?
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    Bah i dunno These companys arent reliable. Stick with newegg and svc and places liek that since they are mores pecific. They may be 10 bucks higher but you get the service
  • entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
    edited May 2004
    here are some pics i put on a site i quick threw together. Pics
    lol and yes i know my carpet is hideous ;D
    WARNING! the pictures are very big (1000xsome odd pixels) so if you have dialup anyone, let me know and i can reduce them. i just figured the bigger they are the easier to see details
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    umm dont get anything
  • entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
    edited May 2004
    hm, just had my friend do it and it works. try http://entropy.serveftp.com then ... maybe add the www. if that doesn't work, try that /index.htm
  • ketoketo Occupied. Or is it preoccupied? Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    Looks like an ATI card...mostly, anyone who builds em changes the sticker on the fan, this one's still ATI....anyone work out the codes yet?

    **edit** how does Windows identify it?
  • NecropolisNecropolis Hawarden, Wales Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    That looks identical to my sapphire 9800 pro.
  • entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
    edited May 2004
    according to device manager, it's a radeon 9800 pro. no brand anywhere. obvoiusly the drivers are ati's cuz that's what i installed. i did google the first few numbers (idk where from, forgot) and this is what it said ... unfortunately it was in all sorts of funky characters but the google site summary said "PowerColor (OR9800-S28CP)" along w/a bunch of other junk. not good, cuz although i've never used powercolor, i don't like them for somer reason lol.
  • NecropolisNecropolis Hawarden, Wales Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    entr0py wrote:
    according to device manager, it's a radeon 9800 pro. no brand anywhere. obvoiusly the drivers are ati's cuz that's what i installed.

    I dont think you can get "branded" drivers for your card, no matter what the make. As for device manager, thats normal.
  • entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
    edited May 2004
    well so then how do i know what windows detects it as? i'd rather not uninstall the drivers then wait for it ... i think it said radeon 9800 pro
  • rykoryko new york
    edited May 2004
    5700-5800 3dMark03 is normal for stock speeds of a 9800pro and your specs. I am confused as to what the problem is.......ati's catalyst drivers will work fine for your card no matter the manufacturer.
  • entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
    edited May 2004
    well, 1)i didn't know that, 2)built by ati is better, and i thought i was going to get one and then suddenly i didn't
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    only ati makes drivers for ati chipset cards. omega mods them and puts out modded ati drivers but that's a different issue.
  • floppybootstompfloppybootstomp Greenwich New
    edited May 2004
    Just to clarify, the drivers for all ATI Cards are the same, no matter the manufacturer, the basic chipset is made by ATI in all manufacturers' cards.

    Latest drivers are Catalyst 4.4. If you go to ATI's own site or to Guru3D you can download them. ATI's drivers consist of the driver set and a control panel. If you download from Guru3D, they have an integrated file containing both drivers and control panel.

    The fact that your setup won't install and run 3DMark2001 hints at other possible problems.
  • SpinnerSpinner Birmingham, UK
    edited May 2004
    Yeah, 3DMark2001SE problems aside, unless you're experiencing any other problems that you haven't shared with us, I think you've got nothing to worry about. Many big name PC retailers (Dabs.com for example) make their own graphics cards and what not (or rather sell non-branded models under their name). I've had a few pass my way, and they've all been fine.

    A GPU is a GPU. The person who slaps the bits together is mostly irrellevant for the average Joe FPS.

    Your 3DMark03 scores are fine, just fine, your card looks like a 9800 Pro, it is detected like a 9800 Pro, and it performs like a 9800 Pro. My advice, stop worrying, start gaming.

    If the card starts to show signs of morphing into a Geforce 2 MX, then let us know ASAP, but if not, enjoy your card.

    p.s (And we really need to have a talk about image compression)

    Cheers

    SPINNER ;)
  • SpinnerSpinner Birmingham, UK
    edited May 2004
    floppybootstomp wrote:
    Latest drivers are Catalyst 4.4. If you go to ATI's own site or to Guru3D you can download them. ATI's drivers consist of the driver set and a control panel. If you download from Guru3D, they have an integrated file containing both drivers and control panel.
    We have a massive downloads section here you know mate, no need to direct people else where. Why do I bother? Pft! ;)
  • floppybootstompfloppybootstomp Greenwich New
    edited May 2004
    Spinner wrote:
    We have a massive downloads section here you know mate, no need to direct people else where. Why do I bother? Pft! ;)

    Oops :buck:

    Sorry.

    I really haven't had a good look around yet.

    Just trying to be helpful.

    I'll get me's edumacated on site contents and point the right way in future :-/
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    Spinner wrote:
    Yeah, 3DMark2001SE problems aside, unless you're experiencing any other problems that you haven't shared with us, I think you've got nothing to worry about. Many big name PC retailers (Dabs.com for example) make their own graphics cards and what not (or rather sell non-branded models under their name). I've had a few pass my way, and they've all been fine.

    A GPU is a GPU. The person who slaps the bits together is mostly irrellevant for the average Joe FPS.

    Your 3DMark03 scores are fine, just fine, your card looks like a 9800 Pro, it is detected like a 9800 Pro, and it performs like a 9800 Pro. My advice, stop worrying, start gaming.

    If the card starts to show signs of morphing into a Geforce 2 MX, then let us know ASAP, but if not, enjoy your card.

    p.s (And we really need to have a talk about image compression)

    Cheers

    SPINNER ;)


    Correct, and AFAIK the drivers are likely to be tuned for DirectX 9.0 and the 3DMark2001 is doing the "say WHAT" thing to DirectX 9.0's 3dDraw module-- I strongly doubt it understands DirectX 9.0. With this particular set of softwqare and hardware things, likeliihood is that a 3DMark2001 RETIREMENT is best thing for your box. Benchmark older than drivers and\or DirectX version, probably both.

    John D.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    3dmark2001 runs on DX9 just fine.
  • MedlockMedlock Miramar, Florida Member
    edited May 2004
    I think I'm late, but to me your card looks like ATi. I'm pretty sure Sapphire uses samsung memory and ATi uses Samsung on some cards and some other crap on others. The big ATi sticker on the fan, though, really makes me think ATi. Eveyone else just slaps on their own sticker right?
  • SpinnerSpinner Birmingham, UK
    edited May 2004
    floppybootstomp wrote:
    Oops :buck:

    Sorry.

    I really haven't had a good look around yet.

    Just trying to be helpful.

    I'll get me's edumacated on site contents and point the right way in future :-/
    I was just kidding mate. You're always extremely helpfull. It doesn't really matter whether it's Short-Media, Guru3D or wherever, it's just about what is easiest for the members.

    But yeah, have a look around. :thumbsup:
  • entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
    edited May 2004
    lol k, thanks all. just over reacted a bit i spose. now to figure out why 3dmark01 doesn't like me ....

    (spinner: doing stupid and ineffective things with pictues is a common sign of Photoshopia n00bophobage :))
  • entropyentropy Yah-Der-Hey (Wisconsin)
    edited May 2004
    goodness lol. when i was typing taht up, spinner had just posted his one on the bottom of the first page! what wonderful times we live in hehe. @john, apparently 01 is still supposed to run on dx9 fine, just that it hates me for whatever reason. @thegr81, that's what made me worry/wonder, too. and then the fact that on the cd it says Powered by ATI. this could've been a pull, then they just used some old cd laying around, though i kind of doubt it...
    //EDIT: nvm, it appears as though i'm an idiot once again and didn't look for a second page and didn't look at the post times after i DID look at the second page :rolleyes:
  • GnomeWizarddGnomeWizardd Member 4 Life Akron, PA Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    No worries! 3dmark 2k1 wont run on my windows 2k setup but soon as i install Xp it works In 2k1 in Xp i Get 19k with it stock so MY guess with your setup would be 17k
  • SpinnerSpinner Birmingham, UK
    edited May 2004
    GnomeWizardd wrote:
    In 2k1 in Xp i Get 19k with it stock so MY guess with your setup would be 17k
    Yeah, that sounds about right.
  • CaxusCaxus
    edited May 2004
    You realize theres a patch for 3dmark2001 you need to download to get it to work with dx9 if you still have the original version.
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