Is this in proportion??

BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
edited May 2004 in Hardware
ok heres what i got in my case... first of all i have an Aspire X-Dreamer II case with one intake on the window right above the CPU, one right next to the PSU (on top of the case) which is an exhaust, and also i have two exhausts in the back, so basicly i have 3 exhausts and 1 intake (note there is nothing in the front as an intake). Is this a good setup? thanks for your help :)

P.S. at load my cpu temp is near 50 degrees C (Stock HS/F on AMD 2600+ Barton non-oc'ed), and my case temp is always around 30 degrees C.

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  • MedlockMedlock Miramar, Florida Member
    edited May 2004
    I'm not really the person to talk about this, my case has very crappy airflow, and I don't really know much about it. But as far as I know, exhaust fans always do a better job at cooling a pc than intakes. Exhausts near the cpu and at the top of the case is very good, because that's where most of the heat is.

    There was a review on a case somewhere around here... I'll do some digging and see what I come up with. Basically it showed that fans at the rear and top kept the case cooler while the system was at load, (and producing the most heat) but after the load was taken off, it took a while to cool the case down to normal idle temps.

    I'm sure someone else will come along with a better answer.
  • MedlockMedlock Miramar, Florida Member
    edited May 2004
    Ahh here we go. That's the review... Maybe it'll help shed some light on this thing for you.
    The top and rear exhaust produced the best CPU and System results but nearly placed last for time to idle. We tested three times for this result as we didn't believe the first two.
    Just as I remembered!
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited May 2004
    Thats a pretty high CPU temp even for a stock HSF. I have one less exhaust fan, the top fan, but the rest is the same. My temp is about the same but my CPU is running at 2.5 GHz.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    TheGr81 wrote:
    I'm not really the person to talk about this, my case has very crappy airflow, and I don't really know much about it. But as far as I know, exhaust fans always do a better job at cooling a pc than intakes. Exhausts near the cpu and at the top of the case is very good, because that's where most of the heat is.

    There was a review on a case somewhere around here... I'll do some digging and see what I come up with. Basically it showed that fans at the rear and top kept the case cooler while the system was at load, (and producing the most heat) but after the load was taken off, it took a while to cool the case down to normal idle temps.

    I'm sure someone else will come along with a better answer.

    Two hyper major reasons for good low intake fans being present in volume in a tower are to promote airflow around video card and to releave backpressure settling effects on exhaust fan bearings. Also, faster movement of cooler air through whole box helps the RAM stay a tib cooler, the power circuitry on motherboard stay cooler, and the innards of the PSU stay cooler. Air from low front of case is cooler, and real warm air into PSU in volume, does not cool it vwery well. PSU is at top of most cases, or at least in top third where it is hotter. Someday will post pics of why I do not use top fans....
  • BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
    edited May 2004
    At idel my CPU is at Around 40-45, you know what, i think since ive put in this extra fan my cpu has been getin hotter... im gona take it out and see for my self. If it stays the same then im gona order eather a Volcano extreme 12 or a coolermaster Jet 7.
  • MedlockMedlock Miramar, Florida Member
    edited May 2004
    mmonnin wrote:
    Thats a pretty high CPU temp even for a stock HSF. I have one less exhaust fan, the top fan, but the rest is the same. My temp is about the same but my CPU is running at 2.5 GHz.
    You sure about that? 50C is nothing. My northwood always operates at 50-52* on stock. (Thats only 120-125*F, but it's too high for me 'cause I wanna get back to OCing it.)

    Well I say if you're that worried about temps, MANY people are very satisfied with SLK series heatsinks. I want to get the SP-94 for my P4. There is one like it for AXP's here. If you do decide to get one (they get expensive) watch your mobo!! These heatsinks get pretty heavy and ...bad things may happen if you put too much stress on the motherboard.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    Well I say if you're that worried about temps, MANY people are very satisfied with SLK series heatsinks. I want to get the SP-94 for my P4. There is one like it for AXP's here. If you do decide to get one (they get expensive) watch your mobo!! These heatsinks get pretty heavy and ...bad things may happen if you put too much stress on the motherboard.
    As long as the motherboard has the four holes for the heatsink mounting plate, the weight of heatsink is really not an issue.
  • ClutchClutch North Carolina New
    edited May 2004
    You might want to try a different hs/f combo if you are worried about temps. Are you going to oc any?
  • BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
    edited May 2004
    i disabled the extra fan and its still the same... 50*C at idel (like normal sometimes) and my case is at 30*C. If i get that SP-97 heatsink will i need a fan? i dont think i will oc but i might. as of now i dont have the right memory
  • MedlockMedlock Miramar, Florida Member
    edited May 2004
    If you do get it yeah you'll need a fan, but if you're not overclocking it you don't need a heatsink like that. I don't know much about other heatsinks for AMD's but you probably should back off a bit if you won't overclock, just so you don't end up wasting your money. Or did that just mean you will OC when you get better memory? It really depoends on how far you want to push it. If you want a very good OC, get a nice heatsink. At least a SLK type heatsink.
  • BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
    edited May 2004
    yea, when i get better memory i will oc a bit over 2.2ghz. As for the fan, im gona try it out in the front, i hope it will go in easy because its hard with the case i have...
  • ClutchClutch North Carolina New
    edited May 2004
    I don't think you have to worry about the case temps that much. I would just get the cpu temp down. Do you have the fan blowing in or sucking off air as far as the heatsink goes.
  • MedlockMedlock Miramar, Florida Member
    edited May 2004
    BaLLeR wrote:
    yea, when i get better memory i will oc a bit over 2.2ghz. As for the fan, im gona try it out in the front, i hope it will go in easy because its hard with the case i have...
    At this point I would (try to) advise you as far as the heatsink goes... But since AMD is too conf00sing for me I really don't know how far 2.2GHz is pushing a 2800+. ;D:rant: How fast is a stock 2800+, and what are default voltages? :confused2

    What is the points of that! Why not just tell the end-user what speed the processor actually is?? That is retarded.
  • BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
    edited May 2004
    hahaha, i dont have 2800+ its a 2600+ Barton which is clocked at 1.9Ghz w/ 333Mhz FSB and the voltage is 1.65. What they mean by 2600+ or 2800+ etc is that it is as fast if not faster then 2.6 or 2.8 Ghz while clocked at a lower speed... Overclocking it to 2.2 Ghz will be almost equivalent to a 3200+.
  • MedlockMedlock Miramar, Florida Member
    edited May 2004
    BaLLeR wrote:
    hahaha, i dont have 2800+ its a 2600+ Barton which is clocked at 1.9Ghz w/ 333Mhz FSB and the voltage is 1.65. What they mean by 2600+ or 2800+ etc is that it is as fast if not faster then 2.6 or 2.8 Ghz while clocked at a lower speed... Overclocking it to 2.2 Ghz will be almost equivalent to a 3200+.
    Grr.... Cocky little freaks!

    I dunno really. 1.9@2.2 is just a 300MHz OC. Not that aggressive. You might even get away with default voltage, but then I don't really know how good an barton overclocks. Just kinda guessing based on my experiences so far with my 2.8 here. (My exp is quite limited, this is my first custom built computer and I've never actually used heatsinks other than stock ever.)
  • BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
    edited May 2004
    same here :)
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited May 2004
    TheGr81 wrote:
    Grr.... Cocky little freaks!

    I dunno really. 1.9@2.2 is just a 300MHz OC. Not that aggressive. You might even get away with default voltage, but then I don't really know how good an barton overclocks. Just kinda guessing based on my experiences so far with my 2.8 here. (My exp is quite limited, this is my first custom built computer and I've never actually used heatsinks other than stock ever.)

    Average OC, air cooled, gets a 1.1 to 1.15 multiplied pure GHz increase. I had a 2500+ Barton at true 2.1 GHz, it broke the O\S's driver timings at 2.2 and at 2.1 it was air-temp-around-case sensitive.

    Right now room temp in my room is 80 degrees fahrenheit-- now that the AC is on during day. The P4s are more stable, and I spent less on P4s and mothebroards than I would have had to spend on two W\C rigs. they can handle air around cases of 84-87 degrees fahrenheit without burping at all, when OC'd 200-400 MHz total per box. HEAT is what is keeping me from using Bartons right now, of the 3200+ variety. That and the fact that I do not have to use JEDEC relaxed RAM timings with the P4s I have. Standard timings work fine, hyper low latency no, try 2.5-3-3-7 for the Northwood with Corsair VS'd CMX which to boot is OC'd itself to DDR400 rates, and 2.5-3-3-6 for the Prescott box using Corsair C2PT. JEDEC relaxed timings of 3-4-4-8 are not needed for good grades of RAM on P4s unless you want to REALLY stretch your P4 and stick natively hyper-fast RAM in. DDR400 rates are exactly half the quadpumped rate nastive to a Prescott, and that is what these sticks are running 24\7 at.

    RAM at half the quad native rate or 1 full normal step higher can run at medium normal latency and sync timings in a P4 box with the right motheboard, and both my boxes use IC7-Max3's for motherboards.

    WHY??? Prescott is stable at 66-68 C, I know this as it has been there for 3 days now and has not burbled once. UNOC'd temp is 3-4 C less. The temp climb is so low compared to rate of climb the Barton ahd, with same HS compund on both and a better HS on the Barton before I retired it, that I use P4s due to being able to run longer at higher CPU die temps than Bartons. Heck, the OTES climbs temps faster than the CPU does, it is up 8-10 C from unOC'd temps-- and the whole box is stable, on slightly greater than normal air cooling.
  • BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
    edited May 2004
    Good point about the bartons running a littel hot... it pisses me off sometimes how hot my cpu runs even at idle while my room temp is 76 F. As far as overclocking goes, The -'s are my cpu is locked, my memory is kingston value ram, and stock HS/F. The + is the motherboared NF7-S v2. I also need a new vid card, its a G3 Ti200 :thumbsdow
  • MedlockMedlock Miramar, Florida Member
    edited May 2004
    BaLLeR wrote:
    Good point about the bartons running a littel hot... it pisses me off sometimes how hot my cpu runs even at idle while my room temp is 76 F. As far as overclocking goes, The -'s are my cpu is locked, my memory is kingston value ram, and stock HS/F. The + is the motherboared NF7-S v2. I also need a new vid card, its a G3 Ti200 :thumbsdow
    Wow! I just realized how hot your cpu was at idle. I'd definately consider getting a new heatsink if i were you, before i even TRY overclocking. I don't see any reason your cpu would run 120+* if your case temps are ~76*. I don't get it. You sure your HSF is mounted properly??

    BTW, my case temps are 90+. (Florida+No A/C+summer=HOT! :rarr: ) My cpu runs folding for days on end at temps of ~122. I am, as I've mentioned before, using a stock intel heatsink. Definately check that thing, I say. That's not good.
  • BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
    edited May 2004
    My dad actually installed the HSF (he has a lot of experiance and has done it bout a million times so i really never thought it could have been put on wrong) but im starting to consider that... Also, when we installed it all we did was remove the plastic shilding from the tape, there was no thermal grease...
  • rykoryko new york
    edited May 2004
    BaLLeR----I would say the thermal tape is the reason for your high temps. Remove the hsf and remove the thermal tape with isopropyl alcohol from both the cpu core and the bottom of the hsf. Then get some Artic Silver5 and apply to the cpu. Proper instructions can be found at http://www.articsilver.com. The bottom line is that you need VERY LITTLE as5 to do the trick. Your temps should drop significantly.....
  • BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
    edited May 2004
    ok ill try it thx :)
  • ClutchClutch North Carolina New
    edited May 2004
    There was no like gummy looking stuff on the bottom of the heatsink? Usually stock hs/f come with the thermal pad. Thermal compound and thermal pad = big mess.
  • BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
    edited May 2004
    Yes, there was a pinkish thermal pad i really didnt think it was gona do good...
  • ClutchClutch North Carolina New
    edited May 2004
    That is the thermal pad. So did you take the h/s off and clean it, then apply some AS?
  • BaLLeRBaLLeR Boca Raton, Florida
    edited May 2004
    not yet, i still havent had to to go to compusa and pick some up when i do ill post the results
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