arrgh, no. Im just finding out how important processor and memory are. Im looking for a good motherboard that accepts 2.8ghz 800 bus. Whats the best mobo?? (i also wanna add some pc3500 ddr) i was looking at this system : http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/video/PNY_FX_5900_Ultra_4.html :P
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited July 2003
GTac... how much $$ do you have to spend on a mb/cpu upgrade? The top-end P4s are still really expensive, and are only marginally faster than a top-end Athlon XP. If you wanted to save some money, an Abit NF7 and a 2500+ should be good for 2.2GHz+, and at that speed, the 2500 is roughly equivalent to a 3GHz P4, as I recall... however, as much as I like the Athlon XP, the 800MHz bus P4/i875 combo is probably the best thing out there right now... it'll just cost ya...
GTac01 said arrgh, no. Im just finding out how important processor and memory are. Im looking for a good motherboard that accepts 2.8ghz 800 bus. Whats the best mobo?? (i also wanna add some pc3500 ddr) i was looking at this system : http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/video/PNY_FX_5900_Ultra_4.html :P
GTaC, you could save money by purchasing a P4 2.4C and O/C'ing the hell out of it.
The 2.4C is one hell of a chip, with a nearly 100% success-rate overclocking to 3.2 GHz on the STOCK COOLER alone. Users with other forms of cooling (such as the SLK-900) have hit as high as 3.5 GHz on AIR cooling. With watercooling, users have hit 3.7-3.9 GHz. Finally, on the Prommie (Prometia) and LN2 cooling, users have hit anywhere between 3.9 and 4.5 GHz). Not bad for a little 2.4C that is damned cheap ($170.00 USD on PriceWatch), you can't go wrong.
Pair that CPU with a nice i875P *Canterwood* Dual-Channel DDR400 board (such as the Asus P4C800-E or the ABit IC7-MAX3) and some nice PC3500/3700 CAS2 DDR SDRAM (Corsair, Kingston, TwinMos) and you'll be laughing away to the races!
If you do pick up a 2.4C, make sure that you can purchase one that has an FPO/Batch number that starts with the following combinations (they are the best overclockers).
All of these chips are manufactured in the Malaysia plant between weeks 9 and 11 of this year and are the best overclockers (as chosen by Overclockers.com).
Or perhaps pair it with a lovely 856PE mobo like the IS7 which offers close to 875P performance minus the extra $$$. It's 108 at newegg, and you could get a 2.4c, and some geil dragon pc3500 and get it to 3.0 + in a cinch.
The "C" suffix on the end of the 2.4 name simply states that the CPU in question operates at a FSB of 800 MHz (200 MHz quad-pumped).
The original 2.4A ran on a 400 MHz FSB & the 2.4B ran on a 533 MHz FSB.
However, if you do want to save some more money, you could purchase the CPU seperately and grab the Asus P4P800 motherboard. Although it doesn't support Intel's PAT technology (resulting in up to 10% system performance increase over the i865-based systems) it does have all of the latest features of the Canterwood boards.
I can't stress enough that if you want a successful O/C, you'll want to make SURE to get a Malaysia chip.
//Edit: NewEgg has 2.4C's for $172.00 USD, but they don't show an FPO/Batch number.
As for the Kingston HyperX PC3500 (DDR433), it will work no problemo in the Asus P4C800 motherboard. This can be confirmed with "Saulin" over @ OCForums.com
Ok, so you are saying that the combo is fine (2.4c)?, now ill just have to call them or email them to see if they are Malaysian.
I've been reading some reviews on that asus mobo and Its really good.
Thanks for clearing it up, Ill get the pc3500 also! (as soon as i have the money, that is)
I'd e-mail BZBoys and ask whether or not the CPU that comes with it is actually a 2.4"C".
In the description, it does say 2.4 800 FSB CPU, so I'm ASSUMING that it's a 2.4C (which is an 800 FSB CPU). I'd call/e-mail them and ask to make sure.
Glad I could help out! Hope you have as much fun O/C'ing the hell outta that system as I did with my new 2.4C & P4C800-E
//Edit: Now if only that PC3700 would come in I'd be able to hit 3.5 @ decient timings...
Read my previous post (i updated it).
Yeah this stuff is really fun! I c u got that system, with the 1010 bios that lets u turn the volt higher on core. Not sure where to get the chip, where did you get it from?.
GTac01 said Read my previous post (i updated it).
Yeah this stuff is really fun! I c u got that system, with the 1010 bios that lets u turn the volt higher on core. Not sure where to get the chip, where did you get it from?.
Picked it up at a local comp store (got to hand pick the stepping & FPO/Batch that I wanted). www.bestbytecomputer.com
Yep, the 1010 BIOS does wonders for stability and O/C'ing. Finally being able to up the VCore higher than 1.6V is welcome news to OC'ers.
I've got no experience with the Zalman coolers, but for a CPU, I'd rest easier knowing my system was actively cooled.
IMHO, I'd take the SLK-900 and a high-CFM fan for cooling this monsterous beast.
Some high-quality thermal transport compound is recommended as well.
For the fan, I'd suggest a 92mm high-CFM fan (the Tornado if you can stand the noise, or the black-label Delta's that whine higher than a jet engine).
If you can't take the noise, go for something from Mechatronics or Panaflo. However, make sure it's 92mm as the SLK900U can utilize 92mm cooling fans.
//Edit: BTW, my CPU is a Week 10 Malaysia (L310A781), stepping SL6WF, pack date of 04/30/2003.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited July 2003
The CNPS-7000 and SLK-900 are pretty much tied if the fan on the slk-900 is about the same airflow as the one on the zalman. However, the SLK-900 lets you choose the fan, and you can always go noisier or quieter than the zalman if you need more cooling or less noise...
lol, im about to own the best Dell out there hehe. Anyone know if i can without any problems just switch mobos?
now, im thinking about some possibilities here, i could take the zelman and its done for $40, or take the huge copper one and a tornado
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited July 2003
no, you can't. Dell, in their infinite nastiness and idiocy, changed the pinouts on the ATX power connector; It's still a 10x2 connector with keying identical to a standard ATX connector, but the number of wires for some of the voltages is different, as is their location. You'll need a new power supply as well as a new motherboard. In addition, Dell's cases are crap- the cooling flat out sucks, and if you're planning on overclocking, their case is going to cause you more headaches than it's worth. Also, if it's one of the "clamshell" cases, the drive bays may interfere with the ram in a non-Dell board.
Bottom line: You'll need a new power supply in addition to a new board, and it would be adviseable to chuck the Dell case too...
Daaammm, ok a new case and power supply. Good thing in part, ima "build" a pc . And bah, it shall rule . Now just need to get from -$100 to +$600 :shakehead
And well, i mean i already got TEH card, so....
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited July 2003
Oh, I forgot to mention... not necessarily for you (GTac) but for anyone else reading this thread with a similar question- if you DO plug a Dell PS into a non-Dell board (or vice/versa), you'll kill the board and/or the ps....
Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited July 2003
I think you may want to check out www.resellerratings.com before you order anything... neither one of those companies has a particularly outstanding rating... they're not all that bad, but I'd rather pay a bit more and go with someone that's got a better reputation...
wait a sec, which are the bad companies, the websites or the ram sticks? because I trust the sites
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited August 2003
The websites... Kingston and Geil both make decent RAM... As I said, the companies aren't bad, but there are places that I'd be more comfortable ordering from...
What is good for a power supply? why would you need a 650w one? im gona connect 2 hdd, 2dvd, 1 mobo, like 4 fans, and thats it.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited August 2003
GTac, no matter what PS you're looking at, make sure the manufacturer is on AMD's approved power supply vendor list...
As to specific manufacturers, there are only 2 really outstanding companies- Antec and PC Power & Cooling. Enermax is pretty good, and Allied is supposed to be decent. Other than that, I probably wouldn't buy it...
Take a look at this ad for PC Power & Cooling PSes. The PS they compare theirs to is an Enermax 651 series 550w unit, and everything they say in that ad is absolutely true (I know from experience with some of it, the rest of it is publically avaliable info from Enermax themselves) http://www.pcpowercooling.com/pdf/Turbo-Cool_510_vs.pdf
Definately choose a PSU made by a reputable company. You are trusting the safety & stability of your rig to the PSU that you purchase. As Geeky said, try Antec or PC Power & Cooling's PSU's. 430W's should be plenty for you to run everything off of and still provides you with power to spare when you want to install more devices.
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Thats a kickass system.
GTaC, you could save money by purchasing a P4 2.4C and O/C'ing the hell out of it.
The 2.4C is one hell of a chip, with a nearly 100% success-rate overclocking to 3.2 GHz on the STOCK COOLER alone. Users with other forms of cooling (such as the SLK-900) have hit as high as 3.5 GHz on AIR cooling. With watercooling, users have hit 3.7-3.9 GHz. Finally, on the Prommie (Prometia) and LN2 cooling, users have hit anywhere between 3.9 and 4.5 GHz). Not bad for a little 2.4C that is damned cheap ($170.00 USD on PriceWatch), you can't go wrong.
Pair that CPU with a nice i875P *Canterwood* Dual-Channel DDR400 board (such as the Asus P4C800-E or the ABit IC7-MAX3) and some nice PC3500/3700 CAS2 DDR SDRAM (Corsair, Kingston, TwinMos) and you'll be laughing away to the races!
If you do pick up a 2.4C, make sure that you can purchase one that has an FPO/Batch number that starts with the following combinations (they are the best overclockers).
L309, L310, L311, Q309, Q310, Q311, 9309, 9310 & 9311.
All of these chips are manufactured in the Malaysia plant between weeks 9 and 11 of this year and are the best overclockers (as chosen by Overclockers.com).
Ok, how about this combo http://www.bzboyz.com/store/product1067.html ?
I like this Memory http://www.dljsystem.com/detailsMemory.asp?productID=1185 (kingston Hyperx 3500)
The original 2.4A ran on a 400 MHz FSB & the 2.4B ran on a 533 MHz FSB.
However, if you do want to save some more money, you could purchase the CPU seperately and grab the Asus P4P800 motherboard. Although it doesn't support Intel's PAT technology (resulting in up to 10% system performance increase over the i865-based systems) it does have all of the latest features of the Canterwood boards.
I can't stress enough that if you want a successful O/C, you'll want to make SURE to get a Malaysia chip.
//Edit: NewEgg has 2.4C's for $172.00 USD, but they don't show an FPO/Batch number.
Ok, so you are saying that the combo is fine (2.4c)?, now ill just have to call them or email them to see if they are Malaysian.
I've been reading some reviews on that asus mobo and Its really good.
Thanks for clearing it up, Ill get the pc3500 also! (as soon as i have the money, that is)
update: BZBOYZ has not A clue about the batch or FPO number.
G'News: http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=218581&highlight=malaysia Looks like Newegg's are good, 1 said its Malaysia...
I'd e-mail BZBoys and ask whether or not the CPU that comes with it is actually a 2.4"C".
In the description, it does say 2.4 800 FSB CPU, so I'm ASSUMING that it's a 2.4C (which is an 800 FSB CPU). I'd call/e-mail them and ask to make sure.
Glad I could help out! Hope you have as much fun O/C'ing the hell outta that system as I did with my new 2.4C & P4C800-E
//Edit: Now if only that PC3700 would come in I'd be able to hit 3.5 @ decient timings...
Yeah this stuff is really fun! I c u got that system, with the 1010 bios that lets u turn the volt higher on core. Not sure where to get the chip, where did you get it from?.
//Edit: New Egg doesnt know the number either.
Picked it up at a local comp store (got to hand pick the stepping & FPO/Batch that I wanted).
Yep, the 1010 BIOS does wonders for stability and O/C'ing. Finally being able to up the VCore higher than 1.6V is welcome news to OC'ers.
Looks like the NewEgg 2.4C's O/C amazingly well. Like one guy in that thread mentioned, grab one while you can.
3.6 on air @ 1.6V is pretty rare, but the 3.5 on an SLK900 is do-able.
I've got no experience with the Zalman coolers, but for a CPU, I'd rest easier knowing my system was actively cooled.
IMHO, I'd take the SLK-900 and a high-CFM fan for cooling this monsterous beast.
Some high-quality thermal transport compound is recommended as well.
For the fan, I'd suggest a 92mm high-CFM fan (the Tornado if you can stand the noise, or the black-label Delta's that whine higher than a jet engine).
If you can't take the noise, go for something from Mechatronics or Panaflo. However, make sure it's 92mm as the SLK900U can utilize 92mm cooling fans.
//Edit: BTW, my CPU is a Week 10 Malaysia (L310A781), stepping SL6WF, pack date of 04/30/2003.
now, im thinking about some possibilities here, i could take the zelman and its done for $40, or take the huge copper one and a tornado
Bottom line: You'll need a new power supply in addition to a new board, and it would be adviseable to chuck the Dell case too...
And well, i mean i already got TEH card, so....
oh yeah http://www.buyxtremegear.com/khx4000512.html
wait a sec, which are the bad companies, the websites or the ram sticks? because I trust the sites
As to specific manufacturers, there are only 2 really outstanding companies- Antec and PC Power & Cooling. Enermax is pretty good, and Allied is supposed to be decent. Other than that, I probably wouldn't buy it...
Take a look at this ad for PC Power & Cooling PSes. The PS they compare theirs to is an Enermax 651 series 550w unit, and everything they say in that ad is absolutely true (I know from experience with some of it, the rest of it is publically avaliable info from Enermax themselves) http://www.pcpowercooling.com/pdf/Turbo-Cool_510_vs.pdf