There`s nothing new at all with this "idea" actually. I have seen similar for as long as i have known computing. Tougher to put in reality than on paper though. Looks cool, but try change the mobo on that one. Pfft....takes 5 days.
That's a beautiful case, but the first three cars I owned cost less than that combined.
However, if the idea catches on, it's sure to come down in price. Time to buy a lottery ticket, I guess...
Prof
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited August 2003
Patenting my head isn't a bad idea actually, seeing as how solenoid actuated intake/exhaust valves for cars was my idea too, and BMW stole that one...
The mobo thing is what stopped me actually (well, that and the severe lack of $$ flow). I AM however, working on a flexible "heatpipe" solution... kind of, anyhow. I built a small prototype, tested it, and haven't had time to make a revised version yet. If/when I get it working, it could be used for everything from an upgradeable version of that Zalman case to laptops to a substitute for water cooling for all the people in the world who's parents don't like mixing water and computers
Patents can be a bitch to get, and even harder to keep.
First there is the fact that many ideas that one may come up with are already patented, just never have been implemented.
For instance, my grandfather invented, or rather re-invented the screw cap that most people see on mustard bottles (the kind where you twist the cap to open and close the little hole in the middle). He had a fully working metal prototype (which is sitting somewhere in my basement), and many documents. In the end, he took it to the patent office, only to learn the EXACT same thing already existed.... just has never been used before.
Also, many companies battle patents, by trying to prove that the patent already exists.
THEN, there is the sorry fact that most patent rights get thrown out after 7 years (for inventions). Otherwise, one could monopolize the market (imagine if Henry Ford still owned the exclusive rights to the assembly line, or the guy that invented the CRT still owned the exclusive rights to create/sell the device).
There are more problems with patents, but it's late, and my head hurts.
With cpu`s that starts to exceed 100W of energy output, add a couple of harddrives, Videocard, Opticals, chipset, memory and psu, you will have over 150W AT LEAST to get rid of at stock settings.. Fat chance that case will handle that! A prometeia is able to remove 200W stock from the cpu, and a Pentium 4@4 gigs is giving out more than 140W itself so the equation is pretty simple to do. This was an extreme example but you get the idea.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited August 2003
mackanz, with no fans, you're right. the case probably can't handle anything like the heat load you're talking about. However, as you well know, the bigger a fan is, the slower it has to spin to move a given amount of air. A few silent 120mm or 172mm fans screwed to the heatsinks on the sides of the case should allow it to have excellent cooling with minimal noise (not worth $1600 tho)
Geeky1 said mackanz, with no fans, you're right. the case probably can't handle anything like the heat load you're talking about. However, as you well know, the bigger a fan is, the slower it has to spin to move a given amount of air. A few silent 120mm or 172mm fans screwed to the heatsinks on the sides of the case should allow it to have excellent cooling with minimal noise (not worth $1600 tho)
That is true, but where is the idea then?
Anybody can "create" or "invent" a case with minimal amount fans for less that $50. That zalmon project is so useless IMO.
They will probably end the project before someone actually buy it.
It couldn`t even treat a normal heatload with a couple of harddrives and 2 opticals. That is a standard setup in todays computer more or less. On top of that, we need high watts power supplys to make the darn things to boot. A 400W powersupply at load puts out a lot of heat and energy.
A harddrive without a fan is actually as warm as the stock heatsink (with a fan) on a normal cpu setup. Test it for yourself, touch the harddrive and then the heatsink. I couldn`t tell the difference.
ive built whole pcs...that cost less than that case alone....man. I can see this application being useful in one situation..that is for business purposes..i mean think about the office with say 50+ computers...that HAS to make a lot of noise...this will help it out..and companies buying in bulk will prolly poay no more than 700 per case...so ti does have ONE pratical application...but even thats a long shot
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited August 2003
mackanz... I agree, adding fans totally defeats the purpose... and you're right about the hard drives. However, that's why I don't run hard drives without some kind of cooling
WuGgaRoO said ive built whole pcs...that cost less than that case alone....man. I can see this application being useful in one situation..that is for business purposes..i mean think about the office with say 50+ computers...that HAS to make a lot of noise...this will help it out..and companies buying in bulk will prolly poay no more than 700 per case...so ti does have ONE pratical application...but even thats a long shot
WuGgaRoO,
Trust me, companies would not buy this. I work in an office with 400+ users and over half of them have more than 1 machine. Companies would not pay $700 for a case, they dont care about noise, they just care about cost. And $700 for a case is a big cost implication.
On our floor alone there is over 100+ machines in a large open plan room. The noise produced by the people far outways the noise of the machines. You have to remember that most big companies buy machines from places like Dell, IBM and Compaq. They have 1 hard drive, 1 Cd-Rom and a stock CPU fan that never really produces much noise.
I cant really see the point of this case, I would rather get the Prometeia for that price.
anyone every try ducting their air conditioning through their computer and then ducting the exhaust outside? sounds like a fun project to me, if I didn't work so much I would try it out.
Trust me, companies would not buy this. I work in an office with 400+ users and over half of them have more than 1 machine. Companies would not pay $700 for a case, they dont care about noise, they just care about cost. And $700 for a case is a big cost implication.
On our floor alone there is over 100+ machines in a large open plan room. The noise produced by the people far outways the noise of the machines. You have to remember that most big companies buy machines from places like Dell, IBM and Compaq. They have 1 hard drive, 1 Cd-Rom and a stock CPU fan that never really produces much noise.
I cant really see the point of this case, I would rather get the Prometeia for that price.
ohwell...guess i was wrong..again...this is why i dont post on debate forums... lol
WuGgaRoO said
ohwell...guess i was wrong..again...this is why i dont post on debate forums... lol
Don't look at it as being "wrong". You are just viewing things from the "computer enthusiast" point of view, not the "boss" point of view.
One company I worked for had all five or six techs sharing one dial-up connection. This was no fun when four of us needed to download a driver for a customer's computer at the same time. It cost the company money in the long run, since there were times we were just standing around twiddling our thumbs waiting our turn.
Most bosses I've worked for will interrupt you when you're suggesting a new idea and immediately ask "how much is this going to cost us?" Anything over five bucks and they'd usually snort and walk away...:banghead:
Prof
(Of course, it wasn't my money I was trying to spend... )
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BlackHawkBible music connoisseurThere's no place like 127.0.0.1Icrontian
edited August 2003
croc_ said anyone every try ducting their air conditioning through their computer and then ducting the exhaust outside? sounds like a fun project to me, if I didn't work so much I would try it out.
croc_ said anyone every try ducting their air conditioning through their computer and then ducting the exhaust outside? sounds like a fun project to me, if I didn't work so much I would try it out.
Condensation
Actually i dont think so since the ambient air would be as cool as the board/cpu. Very expensive experiment though, it´s cheaper to buy 2 Prometeia and only costs 1/3 to run compared to using a airconditioner that can remove that kind of heat 24/7.
croc_ said anyone every try ducting their air conditioning through their computer and then ducting the exhaust outside? sounds like a fun project to me, if I didn't work so much I would try it out.
Condensation
I'd be interested in measuring how much condensation you'd get. Since Air Conditioners act as dehumidifiers, I'd think that as long as you had good airflow through the case you'd be OK.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, since I don't know from actual experience.
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I had this idea 2 years ago... and if I had had the money to pay someone to design and manufacture the heatpipes...
There`s nothing new at all with this "idea" actually. I have seen similar for as long as i have known computing. Tougher to put in reality than on paper though. Looks cool, but try change the mobo on that one. Pfft....takes 5 days.
However, if the idea catches on, it's sure to come down in price. Time to buy a lottery ticket, I guess...
Prof
The mobo thing is what stopped me actually (well, that and the severe lack of $$ flow). I AM however, working on a flexible "heatpipe" solution... kind of, anyhow. I built a small prototype, tested it, and haven't had time to make a revised version yet. If/when I get it working, it could be used for everything from an upgradeable version of that Zalman case to laptops to a substitute for water cooling for all the people in the world who's parents don't like mixing water and computers
First there is the fact that many ideas that one may come up with are already patented, just never have been implemented.
For instance, my grandfather invented, or rather re-invented the screw cap that most people see on mustard bottles (the kind where you twist the cap to open and close the little hole in the middle). He had a fully working metal prototype (which is sitting somewhere in my basement), and many documents. In the end, he took it to the patent office, only to learn the EXACT same thing already existed.... just has never been used before.
Also, many companies battle patents, by trying to prove that the patent already exists.
THEN, there is the sorry fact that most patent rights get thrown out after 7 years (for inventions). Otherwise, one could monopolize the market (imagine if Henry Ford still owned the exclusive rights to the assembly line, or the guy that invented the CRT still owned the exclusive rights to create/sell the device).
There are more problems with patents, but it's late, and my head hurts.
That is true, but where is the idea then?
Anybody can "create" or "invent" a case with minimal amount fans for less that $50. That zalmon project is so useless IMO.
They will probably end the project before someone actually buy it.
It couldn`t even treat a normal heatload with a couple of harddrives and 2 opticals. That is a standard setup in todays computer more or less. On top of that, we need high watts power supplys to make the darn things to boot. A 400W powersupply at load puts out a lot of heat and energy.
A harddrive without a fan is actually as warm as the stock heatsink (with a fan) on a normal cpu setup. Test it for yourself, touch the harddrive and then the heatsink. I couldn`t tell the difference.
WuGgaRoO,
Trust me, companies would not buy this. I work in an office with 400+ users and over half of them have more than 1 machine. Companies would not pay $700 for a case, they dont care about noise, they just care about cost. And $700 for a case is a big cost implication.
On our floor alone there is over 100+ machines in a large open plan room. The noise produced by the people far outways the noise of the machines. You have to remember that most big companies buy machines from places like Dell, IBM and Compaq. They have 1 hard drive, 1 Cd-Rom and a stock CPU fan that never really produces much noise.
I cant really see the point of this case, I would rather get the Prometeia for that price.
ohwell...guess i was wrong..again...this is why i dont post on debate forums... lol
Dont worry about it mate
One company I worked for had all five or six techs sharing one dial-up connection. This was no fun when four of us needed to download a driver for a customer's computer at the same time. It cost the company money in the long run, since there were times we were just standing around twiddling our thumbs waiting our turn.
Most bosses I've worked for will interrupt you when you're suggesting a new idea and immediately ask "how much is this going to cost us?" Anything over five bucks and they'd usually snort and walk away...:banghead:
Prof
(Of course, it wasn't my money I was trying to spend...
Actually i dont think so since the ambient air would be as cool as the board/cpu. Very expensive experiment though, it´s cheaper to buy 2 Prometeia and only costs 1/3 to run compared to using a airconditioner that can remove that kind of heat 24/7.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, since I don't know from actual experience.
Prof