What just died?

m-goslingm-gosling UK, near to Brighton
edited August 2003 in Hardware
Ok, heres the story...

Earlier on today I was next to my old amd k6 2 500mhz rig that is primally used to run linux and folding@home. It is left on 24/7 and has been running fine for about a month. Anyway, all of a sudden I heard the DVD drive start wiring away which was odd because nothing it was running would use the DVD drive. So I turned on the monitor and found that it had rebooted itself, and was cycyling through the POST screen, then when it got to the point where it tried to boot it just reset itself again and carried on like that. Fine, I thought, and turned it off at the mains, but after turning it back on, nothing happened. The harddrive span up, the keyboard LED's flashed and the CPU fan was spinning but there was no signal to the monitor and the power light wasn't on.

This sounds like a dead CPU to me :( But before I go out and look for a replacement, has anyone had any experiances of anything like this before? Ive already tried the 2 sticks of ram that were in it individually with no luck, and have tried dissconnecting the dvd drive and even the harddrive from it in case it was a lack of power, but still no success :( And, if it is the CPU, why would it have been able to run through the POST screens? :confused:
Also, does anyone know if there is anywhere where you can still buy k6 2's in the UK, excluding buying second hand? It isnt my main rig, but its just annoying loosing a comp, and my only backup computer (not to mention secondary folding machine) :(

Comments

  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited August 2003
    it's not a cpu problem; if it's POSTing at all, it's not the cpu... Try another PS...
  • m-goslingm-gosling UK, near to Brighton
    edited August 2003
    Thats the thing, its not posting at all now. I did think it could be the PSU, but havn't got one to try right at the moment. Il see if I can possibly find one to borrow off of someone and try it out tho. Thanks for the reply btw :)
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited August 2003
    A dead CPU turns the computer on but illicits no beeps, and no monitor signal at all. Unfortunately I know this twice from experience.
  • AuthorityActionAuthorityAction Missouri Member
    edited August 2003
    Have you tried removing the memory to see if it will beep at you? (will older boards beep at you like newer ones?)
  • NixxerNixxer Nottingham, UK
    edited August 2003
    I have had a very similar problem. The computer wouldn't post, no screen. Mine was down to a stick of corrupt ram.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited August 2003
    I agree with Thrax here, i´m pretty sure it´s a dead cpu.
    Try run without the cpu and see if it does the same thing. However, i´m not sure if thats safe for the motherboard or not, but i have done it several times before without trouble.
  • botheredbothered Manchester UK
    edited August 2003
    I've had a similar thing. Bought a new CPU and that died. To cut a long story short it was the graphics card that had killed the CPU and one stick of RAM. I was buying parts that died as soon as I put them in. Remove everything and replace one at a time till your sure whats gone. Can be expensive if you dont, I know!

    bothered.
  • SpinnerSpinner Birmingham, UK
    edited August 2003
    bothered said
    I've had a similar thing. Bought a new CPU and that died. To cut a long story short it was the graphics card that had killed the CPU and one stick of RAM. I was buying parts that died as soon as I put them in. Remove everything and replace one at a time till your sure whats gone. Can be expensive if you dont, I know!

    bothered.

    Bothered's got the right idea as usual. Don't jump to conclusions, I'm not saying it's not the CPU, but I feel it's has as much chance of it being that as it has of being your PSU, or a stick of memory. You need to patiently test and elliminate one component at a time from being faulty. I would say PSU and Memory would be the first things to look at, but test everything, GPU included.

    Best thing to do is to take your mobo out of it's case and set it up on a non conductive surface, i.e not a tin foil table, then start to test things. Swap the PSU, swap the memory, or better yet, put the memory in another system and run DOCMEMORY on it to see if it's faulty.

    With regard to those CPU's, well I bought a K6 2-550 about about 18 months ago for my sisters machine, I'll have a dig around to find what place I got it from. You should still be able to find one somewhere, if not new then almost certainly second hand. Try www.micromart.co.uk

    Also, I am 99% sure I have a spare K6 2-350 lying around somewhere which I can send to you if you want? Even if your current CPU is fine, I'm sure you could use it for testing purposes. Let me know if you want me to get it in the post.

    Either way, keep us posted.
  • SlickSlick Upstate New York
    edited August 2003
    I saw k2-6s on new egg for $18. I dunno if they ship to the uk.
  • m-goslingm-gosling UK, near to Brighton
    edited August 2003
    Ok, thanks for the replies everyone :)
    Have you tried removing the memory to see if it will beep at you?
    Tried this, and still got nothing. Ive tried testing the 2 sticks of ram individually in different ram slots, but that didnt help either, so i think its probally safe to rule out the ram as the problem.
    Try run without the cpu and see if it does the same thing
    Tried this as well, and still no luck :(
    I would say PSU and Memory would be the first things to look at, but test everything, GPU included.
    Think ive got it narrowed down to ether the PSU, CPU or motherboard now. Its impossible to test the GPU since it is running on a built in graphics chip (some trident POS) and has no AGP slot. The only way to test to see would be to insert a PCI graphics card and test that, except you have to set in the bios whether to boot up using a PCI graphics card or use the buit in chip, and since its impossible to access the bios settings......:banghead:
    However, after a day of running the pc non stop, the graphics did get a bit screwy, the areas at the edge of the windows turned a nasty kind of green that dissappeared when the mouse was run over them, it was defiently not the monitor. So there is a small possibility that it could be the GPU.
    Also, I am 99% sure I have a spare K6 2-350 lying around somewhere which I can send to you if you want? Even if your current CPU is fine, I'm sure you could use it for testing purposes. Let me know if you want me to get it in the post.
    Thanks Spinner, i might have to take you up on that offer :) How much would you want for it? Luckully i found a shop the other day that sells old computer parts, so i will be taking a look down there first for a new PSU and CPU to try out, and if i can eliminate the PSU as the problem and can't find a new CPU il get in touch.
  • SpinnerSpinner Birmingham, UK
    edited August 2003
    I've tried testing the 2 sticks of ram individually in different ram slots, but that didnt help either, so i think its probally safe to rule out the ram as the problem.

    Possibly, but you need to test them using a memory testing application, like DOCMEMORY, until you have done that you can't rule out the memory being the problem. However, my gut tells me, it is not a memory problem. Nevertheless...
    However, after a day of running the pc non stop, the graphics did get a bit screwy, the areas at the edge of the windows turned a nasty kind of green that dissappeared when the mouse was run over them, it was defiently not the monitor. So there is a small possibility that it could be the GPU.

    Disfigurations of the display are one typical sign of the GPU being faulty, so the motherboard may in fact be the component which is causing you these problems. I say that because memory problems, usually just cause random and straight up BSOD's, and are usually not predictable, CPU faults are usually and commonly identifiable because of a PC's very specific behavier as a result, e.g the computer will completely freeze, and will not restart or anything.

    My opinion is that your motherboard is the most likely culprit of your PC's problems, but as people and myself have said, you can't confirm that until you have eliminated everything else from the equation. I don't actually think it is the CPU! Whatever you do though, you have to have a think about why the component in question, has become damaged, especially if it's your motherboard. There could be more than one faulty component in your system, e.g the PSU is faulty which in turn damaged a component attached to it, e.g the motherboard. So even if you manage to replace the faulty part, it would essentially just put a new component back at risk again, and you quite possibly would end up in the same position a few weeks down the line.

    As for the CPU I said I had... I wouldn't want anything for it, it's worth practically nothing, so if you wanted it, you could have it for free. You could always send it back to me if you discover you CPU isn't in fact faulty afterall.

    Just let me know.

    SPINNER
  • m-goslingm-gosling UK, near to Brighton
    edited August 2003
    Ok, seems like I jumped the gun a bit.....

    I discovered another computer parts store today, which were very kind in letting me have a k6 2 333 to take home and try out. Popped it in, and still got no responce at all from the pc.
    Spinner, i think im going to take your view of things and start suspecting the motherboard. Il try and get a new PSU to try out first, then if that fails, try and find a motherboard.

    Btw thrax, loved your got epilpisy sig :D

    EDIT:
    Just took out the 'new' cpu and noticed that a lot of the pins had been smeered with small ammounts of thermal paste from the previous owner, so am not sure if the cpu would work anyway without a serious clean up. Bummer :banghead:
  • SpinnerSpinner Birmingham, UK
    edited August 2003
    m.gosling said

    EDIT:
    Just took out the 'new' cpu and noticed that a lot of the pins had been smeered with small ammounts of thermal paste from the previous owner, so am not sure if the cpu would work anyway without a serious clean up. Bummer :banghead:

    Hmm, well simple way to be sure is to simply ask the guys at the shop you got it from if they can test it for you, or at the very least try and confirm that they've had it working recently.
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