Leo Need's Wireless Home Network Recommendation

LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, Alaska Icrontian
edited November 2004 in Science & Tech
Looks like I'll probably need to go wireless in my new home. House is three stories: computer third floor, computer second (main floor); and XBox on ground floor. Is it possible to connect the XBox via wireless? LOL Xander plays XBox games online.

Computers are those listed in my signature. Unfortunately, I will probably make my purchases retail. In Anchorage we CompUSA, BestBuy, WalMart, and a couple of the big office super stores. Oh yeah, we also have Sam's and Costco.

I'd be interested in your tier 1 suggestions, as well as 'value' suggestions.

Thanks in advance.

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  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Broadband connection will be DSL. I suppose I could put router and DSL modem with the phone line near the XBox; that way I could cable the XBox directly, and the computers would be on wireless. Does that make sense? I really haven't kept up with wireless options, just conceptually.
  • EMTEMT Seattle, WA Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Everything needs to be within roughly 100 feet of the access point to work, so only put it with the XBox if you can still reach the farthest computer from there. Subtract a little - 20 feet, I read - from that number for every wall the signal would have to go through. I think you could buy an access point or something(not sure it's called that) to connect the XBox's Ethernet to the wireless network.

    I don't have enough experience to recommend components. I don't think they're terribly different by brand, actually, so I would say any wireless G is a good bet; the network config is the biggest question. Also if you want to have decent tech support, try to get components of the same brand.
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Geeky, in my own way Naples, FL Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Um, CAT5E riser wire through floors, and a booster\aka wireless gateway per floor if needed.... A switch or hub where modem is, then two gateways, one each for first and third floor. Count floor as wall, so run hardwire to gateways, then use a hardwired router or switch or hub.... Have a Home Depot near you??? They sell Cat5E riser wire....

    I would not bother with two switches, but depending on floor material, you may end up with a wireless gateway per floor except where the XBOX and modem are. Multimedia your network, use what you have for wired "TRUNK" as much as you can. LATER, MAYBE, you might run wirelss totally, but study how to secure it first, PLEASE. Wireless can be a major pita to REALLY secure.

    Lesseee.... Cat5E hardwired runs can go 250 YARDS with plenum wire, minimum, with no booster. And it does not care, with plenum wire, what the heck the rise or horizontal run is inline. Plenum wire has a foil shield (or dual shields for best plenum wire) that is best (most effective) when shielding is GROUNDED. Then the foil grabs noise, and earthing\grounding routes it to earth, and grounding makes the plenum wire shielding a noise remover. 1000' spool of that costs about as much as two real good _very securable wireless gateways, without taking into account wireless NICs. Cheaper to hard wire with shielded plenum for trunking, if you can.

    Then it is harder for folks to hitchhike on your wireless net to get online, because you simply do not have one....
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    My advice? Go 802.11A, and go Linksys. With three stories, you'll need the punch that the 5GHz band presents... You'll probably suffer lackluster connectivity with G or B. If you want to move up a bit, I suggest Orinoco wireless cards as they have the strongest transmission of any commercial cards.. But Linksys will do alright too. Stay away from Dlink and Belkin wireless products.

    //EDIT:

    250 yards my arse. Maximum rated specification for Cat5E with perfect termination and environment is 100 meters.
  • NomadNomad A Small Piece of Hell Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Yeah, Cat5e is 100 meters max.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Thanks, guys. Last night I had shopping to do at Wal-Mart. Believe it or not, they had 802.11G Linksys routers and cards, so went ahead and purchased while I was there. (Thrax, I did read your thread about "punch".) The router has ethernet ports in addition to the transmitter. The configuration I will try first is connecting the XBox downstairs directly via Cat5 to the router. Second and third floor computers' connections will be via wireless. Even subracting the 20' per floor, I think we will still be within comfortable limits. If the signal is too weak for the 3rd floor's computer, I'll get an adaptor (access point?) for the XBox, and put the router on the second floor - central location. One of our members has an XBox wireless adapter he said I could have should I need it.

    Not too concerned about someone piggybacking on the signal - there are only a handful of homes within a square mile.

    I won't know until Tuesday whether this works or not. That's when I move the last of our stuff from the apartment to the house. I'll let you guys know.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Update:

    I've set up everything in the apartment to proof the hardware before I set up tomorrow at the house. So far, excellent performance. It's actually running noticeably faster than with my previous D-Link 604/ethernet work group.
  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited November 2004
    Leo,

    Just for the heck of it. It's too late now but just out of curiousity. Newer homes are starting to have a cable chute as part of the design. It's typically where the cable comes into the house.

    It's a vent sized access that runs from the basement to the attic. If your house is more than 10 years old it may not have it. But there is where you could run CAT5 fairly easy.

    In my home I don't have that option. :(

    My cable line for my cable DSL also comes in to my 3rd bedroom on an inner wall but, if I'm going to be ambitious about it, I plan on dropping CAT 5 from the attic down that wall. The CAT5 would go across the attic to the outside wall and drop down that. I'd have to open up part of the wall to drill through the joist to get to the inner wall of the floor below...then drop it down that wall to an outlet by my home theatre.

    Thus I'd have a hard line from my router to the downstairs.

    So to recap...from the 2nd floor bedroom where the router is...sort of an up and over and down and through a floor and down and out path.

    Newer house have CAT 5 already run...4-5 lines that you just put the modem and router in the basement and route off to whatever room.

    But my place is 20 years old.

    I may Tim the toolman my house...but it'll be fun....I think.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    My house was built in 98. I haven't seen anything resembling a cable shoot; but I wasn't looking for something like that. I'll take a more critical look tomorrow when I'm in the crawl space (nexus of some cables is there - huge, high, crawl space) and ground floor.

    I've done the drilling, tapping and Cat5 snaking before. It was in Georgia in the summer...most of the work in the unventilated attic. Thought I was back in Saudi Arabia in August! :eek:
    It's typically where the cable comes into the house.
    If you are referring to television cable, we don't have that up on the mountain. Telephone, power, DSL - yes, but not cable television. We will be going satellite for TV.
  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited November 2004
    This read may give you some ideas.

    The chute I'm speaking of will originate where your cable TV/phone line main junction box is. That's if the house was planned this type of house. It's a chimney of sorts that leads vertically all the way up from the basement to the attic. It's meant for easy cabling between the floors.

    If the DSL is based on phone lines then, if you wanted to be real handy, you could put your modem and router down in the basment and run every line off of it to whatever room you wanted to.

    Unfortunately my basement is finished so it sucks for doing that in the basement ceiling. I'm also choked as it makes it a pain to run my rears for the surround system.

    If the chute isn't "in your face" obvious...then it doesn't exist and you'd have to go back to the old fashioned route of drilling holes in walls and floors.



    OOOOO...Satelitte...go buy a widescreen HD ready tv. :)
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    If the chute isn't "in your face" obvious...then it doesn't exist and you'd have to go back to the old fashioned route of drilling holes in walls and floors.
    No way, Hosea! ;D Nope. I'm not taking this wireless gear back. I've only had now for a few hours and already disdain cables (except for security).

    Big, HD TV? Nope again. After investments, fixed expenses, car repairs, and such, the expendable income is going for skiing in the winter, and fishing in the summer. Also, need a cash pool for travel. Most flights from Alaska to the rest of the continent are rather pricey.
  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited November 2004
    Alaska to Vancouver's cheap. :)
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    If the DSL is based on phone lines then, if you wanted to be real handy, you could put your modem and router down in the basment and run every line off of it to whatever room you wanted to.
    It is phone-line delivered. Are you saying I can network my computers via the telephone lines? How is that done? (OK guys, save your laughter for later. I've never even used DSL before.)
  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited November 2004
    The phone line only goes to the modem. Then it's CAT 5 from there.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Well, yes. Sorry, I thought you were referring to a way of networking using DSL signal over phone lines.
  • MediaManMediaMan Powered by loose parts.
    edited November 2004
    Remember that it "MAY" be that your DSL provider "MAY" require you to supply your IP address prior to getting online.

    Here's how it worked for mine.

    1) I was supplied a specific webpage that could be accessed from my home once the DSL line was live. That was the only page that could be accessed.

    2) I entered my MAC address of my machine. I was online.

    that simple.

    Do this before connecting your router. Then in your router configuration you clone the MAC address of that machine you registered with. The router then broadcasts the MAC address to fool the DSL connection to think it's looking at the computer you registered with.

    The rest is just hooking up the other PCs and configuring the router as you see fit.

    That's how it worked with mine...batteries not included, void prohibited by law...no moose or beavers were hurt in the making of this post.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Thanks for the advice. I'll ensure that I follow the instructions provided by the letter. I'll also connect the first time with the modem connected directly to one of the computers.
  • QCHQCH Ancient Guru Chicago Area - USA Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    I have been using the cold air returns for all my routing of cables (phone, network, coax, speaker wire...). Most houses use the open cavity between a set of studs. Most of the houses run a common cold air return all the way up to the top most floor.

    On the wireless front, my experience is that 802.11b does not transmit as far or through as much as 802.11g does much better. At work, my office is encased in several feet of concrete. We have one wireless antenna at the other end of our floor and above and below me. With a 802.11b wireless card... nothing. 802.11g card, average signal strength.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Up and running! DSL is performing well, and wireless (11G) performance is very good. Router/transmitter is on the second floor with one of the puters; I'm on the internet now in my office on the third floor. Ground floor, where the XBox live setup will be -- don't know yet. Not set up yet.
  • PreacherPreacher Potomac, MD Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    What router did you end up getting, Leo? I got a Linksys WRT54GS that I've really been impressed with. Based on your remote location and enabling WPA/WEP encryption, disabling SSID broadcast, changing the default password/username, and using MAC address filtering, your network should be relatively secure. First time I built my wireless LAN I detected my neighbours' routers. They had NO security and hadn't even changed the defaults.
  • EMTEMT Seattle, WA Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    My neighbors are the same way. You could wardrive all across the area last time I checked.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Preacher, I've got the same router you do. So far, at two locations (the apartment, and now this house) the wireless router and cards work flawlessly. I'm getting full reception upstairs.
    Thanks for the advice. I'll ensure that I follow the instructions provided by the letter. I'll also connect the first time with the modem connected directly to one of the computers.
    Didn't work. When I did the simple step first, modem directly to computer, there was no ethernet signal LED no matter what I tried. I took the modem back to the ISP and they exchanged it. Second modem - no go. Turns out the telco was giving out patch cables with the modems instead of the required crossevers. Didn't figure this out until I called tech support. Rather than make a second trip into town for a crossover (I've only got Cat 5/5e at home) I just skipped the basic step of modem to computer and set up straight through the router. Wham - instant success.

    Thanks for mentioning security. I don't know a darn thing about security settings on this wireless. I'll have to learn. Right now though, it shouldn't be much a concern. There aren't many homes up here on the mountain, and no businesses. (Just black helicopters buzzing my house! :wtf: )
  • maggie99635maggie99635 Alaska
    edited November 2004
    I use ACS for my DSL here in Nikiski.I have to manually set the router MTU to 1452. Used that for years. Did they provide a filter? I got one with my package. I have the Linksys WRT54G.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Maggie, good to see another Alaska S-M member. That makes us two; at least whom I know of.

    I haven't made much of any changes to the router configuration yet. I'd like to at least start by renaming the Wireless Network Name (SSID). That's easy enough under the router config settings; but how did I change it with wireless PCI adaptor cards?
  • maggie99635maggie99635 Alaska
    edited November 2004
    I do all the important stuff through the wired computer. The wireless recognizes the SSID change. I use WZC so it is broadcasting. I'm out in the boonies but I still use mac filtering and WEP. Wireless has been great, that fifty foot cable was the pits.
    Everything is going through an UPS. I haven't had any power spikes but the power does go out often. At least up there in Anchorage you have stores!! I order all my computer stuff on the internet.
  • PreacherPreacher Potomac, MD Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Leo,
    Maggie is totally right. Use a wired computer to change your settings. The settings are really easy to find and change. Don't use the Linksys manual. Use the manual on the disc. It tells you how to change each of the settings. I recommend changing one at a time and then waiting a while to make sure there are no problems.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    If you want, I can give you a full rundown on wireless settings for their 802.11G products. I've tested them myself, so I know they work.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    Thanks, guys. Movers are coming tomorrow; so I'll be quite busy this weekend setting up the house. It'll be sometime next week before I have time to begin tweaking the system. Thrax, if you don't mind taking the time, I'd be very happy to know your recommended wireless settings. Advice from an experienced person is almost always preferable to a one-size-fits-all manual. Please shoot me a PM; or better yet, if you think it would be instructive material for forum members, just post in this thread.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    I'll do both. Give me about 24 hours. :)
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2004
    No rush, my friend. As I've implied, I've got a hundred odd things to do around the home revolving our move-in.
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