New comp setup help

ReignReign New York
edited December 2004 in Hardware
This is what I want to order, just not sure if it's a good setup... input please.

-Intel LGA775 P4 3.2 (or should i get hte 3.4 for $50 more?)
-Gigabyte GA-8IPE775-G (is this a good mobo?)
-RAM I don't know what to get. I know I want 1gig of Kingston DDR2, but not sure if the motherboard i chose needs 4chips or 2chips to enable DDR2.
-eVGA 6800GT 256MB
-2x seagate 80gb 7200RPM HDs
-NEC dual-layer 16x DVD-RW
-Thermaltake Silent Purepower 480W (is this enough power?)
-XP Pro
-LianLi case

Debating if i want the 3.2 or 3.4. Also need to know which RAM to order and if my PSU is ok. Also I heard the stock heatsink on the Intel sucks so I wanted a real good silent cooler. I won't be OCing anything either... Ideas? Thanks.
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  • ArmoArmo Mr. Nice Guy Is Dead,Only Aqua Remains Member
    edited November 2004
    giga byte boards are usually over priced, id look at the same range Asus board, most mother bards that use LGA processors have both DDR and DDR2 slots so you wanna look at that before you buy ram or a bard, you can use both DDR and DDR2 at the same time, 1 or the other. 1 ither thing is to pay close attention to the power connector on the board. alot of LGA boards use 24 PIN connectors and standard PSU's come with 20 PIN power plugs, so u wanna either choose a 24 PIN psu, or a 20 PIN mobo, make sure you count them :)

    any PSU with 24 PINS will be enuf power :)
  • madmatmadmat
    edited November 2004
    You could always get the DFI Lan Party 875P-T for the Socket T that uses regular DDR and AGP if you want to save a bit of money as well as have a larger selection of vid cards to choose from.
    Personally, if I was to make the move to LGA 775 (socket T) that would be the route I take so all I'd have to buy is a mobo and CPU and keep everything else.
    As to everything, I agree with armo, look into a different brand of board, the Abit's are supposed to be pretty good and you 926X based AA8 is supposed to be THE LGA 775 board to have.
  • JimboraeJimborae Newbury, Berks, UK New
    edited November 2004
    ThermalTake Tsunami case instaed of the Lian Li - better cooling

    Why 2 x 80gig drives ??? Raiding them ??? If so dont bother save a few bucks & get 1 x 160g drive, I doubt you'd notice the speed difference. You can always get another 160g drive later if you want to try raid or you need it for a specific application.
  • ReignReign New York
    edited December 2004
    Jimborae wrote:
    ThermalTake Tsunami case instaed of the Lian Li - better cooling

    Why 2 x 80gig drives ??? Raiding them ??? If so dont bother save a few bucks & get 1 x 160g drive, I doubt you'd notice the speed difference. You can always get another 160g drive later if you want to try raid or you need it for a specific application.

    Two 80s because I just dont trust HDs anymore. Twice already i've lost ALL my files because of a HD that died on me. This time ill be smart and just have windows on a seperate drive.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    Couple general things:
    1. LGA775 sucks...
    2. ...as do Gigabyte boards...
    3. ...and LianLi cases
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    Let's see..

    An equivalent AMD CPU is faster, and probably cheaper.
    DDR2 is slower than DDR1.
  • leishi85leishi85 Grand Rapids, MI Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    and instead of running windows on 1 80gig hdd, and other stuff on another 80gig hdd. you can just get a 160gig hdd, and make partitions for OS and partitions for other stuff.
  • ReignReign New York
    edited December 2004
    leishi85 wrote:
    and instead of running windows on 1 80gig hdd, and other stuff on another 80gig hdd. you can just get a 160gig hdd, and make partitions for OS and partitions for other stuff.

    Done that twice, and the HD died on me... including all the partitions with it. Read my thread in the Storage forum and you'll know my situation.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    Just having 2 hard drives won't change anything. I assume you plan to back up your data off one drive onto the other, yes?
  • ReignReign New York
    edited December 2004
    Geeky1 wrote:
    Just having 2 hard drives won't change anything. I assume you plan to back up your data off one drive onto the other, yes?

    Well actually im thinking of just backing everying up on DVDs. I currently dont have a DVD drive so I didn't have a way of backing things up.
  • GrayFoxGrayFox /dev/urandom Member
    edited December 2004
    Geeky1 wrote:
    Couple general things:
    1. LGA775 sucks...
    2. ...as do Gigabyte boards...
    3. ...and LianLi cases

    Hey lian-li pwns all other manufacturers
    :p

    Reign wrote:
    This is what I want to order, just not sure if it's a good setup... input please.

    -Intel LGA775 P4 3.2 (or should i get hte 3.4 for $50 more?)
    -Gigabyte GA-8IPE775-G (is this a good mobo?)
    -RAM I don't know what to get. I know I want 1gig of Kingston DDR2, but not sure if the motherboard i chose needs 4chips or 2chips to enable DDR2.
    -eVGA 6800GT 256MB
    -2x seagate 80gb 7200RPM HDs
    -NEC dual-layer 16x DVD-RW
    -Thermaltake Silent Purepower 480W (is this enough power?)
    -XP Pro
    -LianLi case

    Debating if i want the 3.2 or 3.4. Also need to know which RAM to order and if my PSU is ok. Also I heard the stock heatsink on the Intel sucks so I wanted a real good silent cooler. I won't be OCing anything either... Ideas? Thanks.


    Heres a new hardware list that will rape those ones

    AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor
    WD WD1600JD 160GB 7200 8MB SATA HDD
    Asus A8V Deluxe s939 AMD Motherboard
    Asus Radeon AX800Pro
    LG dual-layer 16x DVD-RW
    2x Corsair CMX512-3200C2P 512MB 400Mhz DDR
    Antec 550W (or enermax i recomend agenst the thermaltakes *buddy had lots of problems*)
    -XP Pro (or home if u wana lose a few useless features)
    -LianLi case (i cant wait to get my pc 2000 :) )
    Zalman 7000cu (best cooler ever so quiet even on max and keeps my 2.4C at a cool room tempature :)
  • GobblesGobbles Ventura California
    edited December 2004
    Couple general things:
    1. LGA775 sucks...
    2. ...as do Gigabyte boards...
    3. ...and LianLi cases


    Let's see..

    An equivalent AMD CPU is faster, and probably cheaper.
    DDR2 is slower than DDR1.

    Seconded.


    I understand why you want 2x80 drives. I run a simular setup. OS on drive 0 and my doc, music, video, and pron on drive 1.
  • TheBaronTheBaron Austin, TX
    edited December 2004
    Gobbles wrote:
    Seconded.


    I understand why you want 2x80 drives. I run a simular setup. OS on drive 0 and my doc, music, video, and pron on drive 1.

    thirded. but then again i have 5 drives
    I love multi-drive setups
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    I try to run at least 2 drives in my systems as well, so I don't have an issue with that, but dude, you've gotta get rid of the LGA775 platform, the gigabyte board, and (unless you go with a PC-7x) the Lian Li case.

    GrayFox: The 7000Cu is decent, and for quiet cooling it does an OK job, but the fan isn't going to be easy to replace when it dies, and there are heatsinks out there that are far better performing than the 7000... personally, I'd go with something like a Thermalright XP-90...
  • ReignReign New York
    edited December 2004
    Can someone tell me why the LGA775 platform sucks? I don't plan on OCing or anything. Just an everyday computer and gaming.

    What if I grab the Intel 3.2 Socket 478.... what's a good mobo for that? What type of RAM would be best? Low latency?

    I really don't want AMD anymore... its time for a change.
  • rykoryko new york
    edited December 2004
    I don't think the lga775 platform sucks, but it doesn't really offer anything better than an older s478 board. Maybe future cpu upgrades, but that is a big maybe. DDR2 (at the loose timings currently available) isn't any better than good (cas 2) DDR. And pciex16 video cards aren't any faster than their agp8x brothers---yet.

    Also SLI for both AMD and INTEL platforms will be out soon (q1 2005 or sooner), so if you really wan't to be an extreme gamer, i would wait and go with an SLI setup if gaming is that important to you.

    Don't automatically listen to everybody who says AMD is better than p4. It really depends on what you will be doing with your pc the majority of the time.

    If you are a hardcore gamer that spends 10+ hours a day, then by all means get a 90nm s939 AMD and enjoy it's gaming prowess.

    However, for everyday computing use like email, word processing, photoshop, video-encoding, etc... i would say a p4 w/ HT will be better and offer you a smoother real-world experience.

    multi-tasking = p4.

    gaming = AMD.

    <font color="red">let the flaming begin....</font>
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    Benchmarks have proven, unequivocally, that <b>with</b> HT enabled, the Athlon 64 architecture is superior to the Pentium 4 in every task but media encoding with up to a 1GHz clock deficit.

    The numbers don't lie. It's <i>not</i> just gaming.

    LGA775 sucks because the socket sucks - the sockets are rated for a <b>maximum</b> of 20 CPU insertions in their lifetimes. <b>TWENTY</b> insertions, and that's the <i>maximum.</i> OEMs have reported sockets breaking on the first insertion.. And realistically, despite what intel would want you to believe with the 925X and 915X chipsets, the Canterwood is still proving to be a superior product when combined with a Northwood Pentium 4.

    But be that as it may, the Athlon 64 is still faster than ANY Intel offering unless you're encoding audio/video streams.

    As far as PCIe is concerned; it's an unfortunate reality that it's here to stay, the lack of performance increases nonwithstanding. Supply chains sure don't care; it's a forced upgrade virtually all around. If people want the newest, and they do.. People are forced into a new video card and probably a new CPU at the same time. OEMs just love being able to put:<p align=center>
    NOW WITH PCI EXPRESS x16 GRAPHICS</p>
    On their marketing spreads. It's a jackpot of sales; that's pretty much it.
  • ReignReign New York
    edited December 2004
    LOL why won't anyone help me here. I want an Intel system, don't be telling me to get AMD. I'll be getting an Intel either way. ;)

    Now...

    Intel 3.2 Socket 478
    Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 PRO-G
    Kingston HyperX PC3200... DDR 400... 1gig low latency
    Seagate 80 and 120 7200rpm HDs
    Nvidia 6800GT

    Can someone tell me if this setup would work well? I plan on playing HL2 and world of warcraft.

    I want the Asus P4C800 Deluxe but $170 is a little much. Also Corsair has so many RAM choices i can't figure out which to get... XMS series... regular... silver casing... so much variety. I won't be OCing so i guess low latency or getting really expensive ram won't mean much to me. I'd also want the X800Pro cuz it runs HL2 better but geez its practically soldout everywhere. Also I heard the X800 is pretty loud, and i want to be running a silent comp.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    Look, we're suggesting AMD because it's a superior product and you're going to get more for you're money. So, unless you earnestly do want a slower product, for more money spent, 98% of the people here are going to suggest AMD.

    But if you're hell-bent on screwing your wallet over; and you really are going Intel, can the Gigabyte board. Just don't even buy it. Get Corsair 3200XL.
  • ReignReign New York
    edited December 2004
    Thrax wrote:
    Look, we're suggesting AMD because it's a superior product and you're going to get more for you're money. So, unless you earnestly do want a slower product.. For more money spent...

    Ive gone through a few AMDs and all my friends have as well, and i just can't stand how much cooling they need. I really need a quiet comp and it just won't work with AMD. All my friends with Intels have extrememly quiet comps even with stock heatsinks. Plus i want intel for once. Also you guys suggested the AMD 3500+ which retials around 280.... i rather pay 220 for the 3.2...

    I want to spend about a grand between the CPU, RAM, Mobo, and graphics card. Can you help me with that?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    You're running on misinformation, Reign.

    The Athlon 64 is actually one of the coolest CPUs in history. At 2.3GHz, the chips often run below 110*F, which is quite a feat of engineering. This is on the stock heatsink. If you buy a large copper cooler and a low RPM fan, you can have excellent and QUIET cooling for your CPU, I can guarantee you of that. The cooling necessity of AMD is, by in large, an old standby that WAS right... In 2002. With the advent of the Barton and the Thoroughbred, the CPU temperatures and cooling requirements of the AMD CPUs have plummeted.

    I don't know who made the 3500+ suggestion, but it's unnecessary. A 3200+ is still faster than the 3.2, and retails for less if I recall correctly.
  • ReignReign New York
    edited December 2004
    What would be a good motherboard and RAM for the 3200+

    Im running a 1900+ now and even with an SLK-900 and it's still running at about 48C and its loud...
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    I hate to interject with this, but it's true, Reign. AMD chips run way cooler than intel equivalents. It's just a plain fact, you can't go any other way about it.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    If you've got a SLK-900 on a 1900, it's running 48*C, and it's loud, you're doing something wrong.

    a 3.2GHz Prescott puts out a tib under 2x the heat that a 3200 does, iirc.
  • ReignReign New York
    edited December 2004
    AMD 3200+
    Gigabyte GA-K8NS PRO
    1gig Corsair pc3200 ddr400 (should i get valueram or XMS series)
    ATI x800Pro

    Hows that sound?
  • ShivianShivian Australia
    edited December 2004
    Whoa hate to be an Intel fanboy here! :p

    Just wanted to throw in a few pts... unless you are an overclocker, 20 insertions of a chip into a socket is way more than you'll ever need. Also I've heard of plenty of stock intel setups sounding like the neighbour's lawn mower or vacuum or something like that. Those things cook eggs. I reckon there's an "Intel Inside" badge on my cooktop somewhere :)
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    Lose the gigabyte board. Gigabyte boards are notorious for being unreliable, flaky pieces of crap. Get an ASUS, ABIT, or MSI board.
  • ReignReign New York
    edited December 2004
    Alright i've decided to go with the AMD 64 3400+ and the ASUS "K8V SE Deluxe" K8T800 Chipset. Now I don't know which RAM to get. Is the Corsair XMS 2-2-2-5 PC3200 DDR400 ... 512x2 alright? Or is the low latency not necesary? What would ya'll recommend. Should i save myself $50 and get the 2-3-3-6 instead?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    Low latency isn't necessary on the Athlon 64. The margins between 2/2/2 and 2/3/3 or even 3/4/4 could be measured in mere fractions of a percent.
  • rykoryko new york
    edited December 2004
    umm Reign, stick to your guns---if you want to go INTEL, then don't let these AMD fanboys talk you out of it. If you want a quiet INTEL system, then get a northwood instead of a presscot. I have a 2.8c with thermalright 948u that idles @ 32 degrees Celsius and I can't even hear it sitting right next to me.

    Also, in response to Thrax, you can keep your pretty little benchmark numbers that prove AMD is better and faster than INTEL, but in my previous post i talked about REAL-WORLD experience. The fact of the matter is that any new AMD cpu is going to have noticeable slowdown if you are a heavy multi-tasker. Unless it's dual opterons, the p4 w/ HT offers a smoother experience. Personally, i wouldn't go AMD b/c of this. As a web designer, i usually have dreamweaver, photoshop, illustrator, and maybe acrobat running all at the same time. Not to mention my tv tuner and about 10+ tabs in firefox. All of this with no noticeable slowdown. Sure an AMD system might be able to load photoshop a few seconds faster than my INTEL system, but who cares---it's about not slowing down between apps for me.

    Here is a quote from a similar philosophy.....
    Pricing aside, AMD looks to be producing some of the best performance CPUs we have ever seen. The only hole I can really shoot in their armor is the lack of a HyperThreading-type feature. Now depending on how you use your computer, this may or may not impact your experience. When multitasking, the Pentium4 simply feels smoother to use. You get a seamless experience. Now this is not say that you never feel a lag here or there on a 3.4GHz Pentium4 desktop, but I will assure you there are not many of them. As of writing this, I have 15 windows open on 3 monitors running 8 different applications. If I wanted to, I could also encode a ripped DVD to DivX while I work and never be aware of it for the most part. My experience is that cannot be done on AMD's CPUs.

    Here is the article that i took this quote from...

    http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjI2LDE=

    Now all of this aside, everyone is correct in telling you to stay away from gigabyte boards. I would also stay away from anything with a via chipset, but that's just me. Lastly, I think the cas 2.3.3.6 pc3200 from corsair will be just fine for your needs--no matter what type of system you build. :thumbsup:
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