Found some GOOD ram !!!

MissilemanMissileman Orlando, Florida Icrontian
edited January 2005 in Hardware
Just to let you all know. I got a pair of these in today : http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-033&depa=0 (Patriot Dual Channel Kit 184-Pin 1GB(512MB x 2) DDR PC-3200 w/ XBL Technology)

Been hearing real good things about Patriot memory. I tried another set of 3200 and it was solid and OC mildly without excess voltage.

This stuff is really hot. I just installed it an hour ago. It's running 2-2-2-5-1T with agressive timings enabled on my NEO2 at stock 2.6 Vdc and at 220 Mhz already.

It has the famous Samsung TCCD chips that OC almost off scale. The literature with this stuff claims it can go from 3200 to 5300 just by shifting the timings from 2-2-2-5 to 3-3-3-7. May play with that later, but this is the best I've had in a long time and you can't beat the price for 1GB.

And if it matters it's American made (of foreign parts of course) ;D;D;D

The Sandra Bench is from running it at 210FSB with all AV,AS stuff running and IE so it might be a bit lower than real :)
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  • leishi85leishi85 Grand Rapids, MI Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    looks interesting, only if i had money, i would go and buy some right now.

    one question, how well do they do on nForce 2 systems??
  • MissilemanMissileman Orlando, Florida Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    They are reported to OC very well in Nforce2 systems from what I've read at the Abit and MSI forums. Even run well on Intel 875 boards but timings have to come down a bit I hear. Nforce2 just loves the low latentcy stuff like these.

    At 235 Now and still running Prime in the background. Probably gonna have to take it to 2.5-2-2-5 and turn aggressive off to get 250 though.

    Still looking good at this point.

    :thumbsup:
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    Missileman, Nice stuff!

    Set them to 2.5,3,3,7 and use a low multi. 260 (at least) will work as long as your cpu can do it :)

    TCCD's won't do 2,5 ,2,2 timings over 230 i'm afraid. What cpu and what stepping on the cpu do you have?

    I dusted off my old Mushkin BH5 here for a little dual channel action. Still running prime.
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  • MissilemanMissileman Orlando, Florida Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    You're right. I was 2.5 -2-2 to 235 then had to drop it to 3.

    I have an A64 3500 Newcastle. I was just seeing how high I could get the sims to go, I can only OC to 215 for normal usage since I use 2 RAID-0's and the 1&2 SATA's don't lock they corrupt above 218 or so.

    I just thought these were a really good buy for $218 bucks for a dual channel GB of TCCD. I had some of the regular 3200 and it was good solid memory too so when I saw that deal on this set I just had to give em a try. I think anybody looking for fast low latentcy RAM would love these sticks.
  • edited December 2004
    Sweet! Might just get some of this stuff myself!
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    That memory is about $80 more than I'll pay for a gig of DDR. :rolleyes:
  • NiGHTSNiGHTS San Diego Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    Wow, I think that's a first. Geeky NOT spending money on technology and equipment having to do with it. ;D
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    Geeky is a tightwad... I like having the fastest & bestest hardware, yes, BUT... I try to pay as little for it as possible. And seeing as how I don't overclock much most of the time , there's no reason for me to waste $80 on RAM that I'll never push when I could put it towards, oh, I dunno... another 6800GT... a dual opteron system... a new mobo for the dual xeon system... another 20" flat panel, another dual PIII Slot 1 board, another dual PIII Socket 370 board, a speaker system that's better than the Z-680s, a RAM upgrade for my old laptop, new RAM for the P4 (since it now has none...) etc... ;)
  • edited December 2004
    But Geeky, that quality ram will serve you well even if you aren't overclocking because it will run with very tight timings at 200 fsb. With A64 especially, tight timings and more importantly 1T command rate are very important for performance. Personally, I don't mind a bit paying for premium ram; it takes a variable out of the picture when I do have problems with something.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    Geeky, how much did you gave for that refurbished Mushkin from Newegg a year ago? Wasn't it close to $250?
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    Oh, I buy quality RAM, I just don't buy especially high performance RAM. It's not worth $40/stick+ to me. This is the RAM I've been buying lately... just bought a gig of it for the dual xeon system a few months ago...
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductdesc.asp?description=20-146-219&depa=1

    Mackanz... yeah, that's the only set of insanely expensive RAM I've bought... That stuff was something like $200 or $250, yeah... in fact, lemme go check... newegg still has the packing list on file...
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2004
    I paid more for for some BH-5 and I would do the same for this. In fact if I bought 1GB of the BH-5 it would be more than the price for this stuff.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    Mackanz, just checked. It was $205 for a 1GB pack (2x512mb) of Mushkin Level II RAM with BH-5 chips. $220 after tax. And considering how much I've pushed it, I might as well have bought a couple sticks of that $70 Mushkin RAM I linked to in my above post. :rolleyes::-/
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    If it's not used for it's purpose, i agree it's expensive and useless Geeky. However, if you do overclock, and this thread is about overclocking as far as i know, you'll end up paying more for several sticks of cheap ram just to find 2 that are peachy.

    With good quality ram from a manufacturer with a good and reliable support who also isn't anal when it comes to rma, it's worth the price in my opinion. I can only speak of OCZ as i haven't tried the other companies support before, but OCZ rocks. Even internationally. I had a 2 week turnaround for a pair i rma'd which is considered VERY fast for being faroffistan where i live. They also give you the option to upgrade to a newer model or at least that is in the same pricerange if you ask nicely.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    Missileman,

    Now, let's see what those sticks can do. Set the ram to 7,3,3 cas 2.5 and use 2.8 volts. Lower the cpu's multi to 6. I have a few settings that you can use with the A64 Tweaker to get you some serious memory speed. We will also test that memorycontroller on that cpu. Do you have some spare time for a little overclocking action?
  • MissilemanMissileman Orlando, Florida Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    I'm willing to give anything a go. I'll bacj up my RAIDs first thing in the morning and we'll give it a go. I would like to see just what I can get out of this.

    My A64 is watercooled too so we can give em hell ;D
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    Let me know when it's backed up and ready to go :)
  • Omega65Omega65 Philadelphia, Pa
    edited December 2004
  • MissilemanMissileman Orlando, Florida Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    I'm glad they are working for you as advertised. I get lucky once in a while.

    I'm hoping to get to OC tomorrow. 3 kids, 2 grand kids and a 3rd due in a couple of weeks along with Xmas has kinda got me tied in a knot at the moment :)

    I can't wait to shake em down.
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited December 2004
    I just skimmed the thread a bit. Would this ram o/c better than my current BH-5 if I were to build an NF3 system?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    Significantly; BH-5 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< TCCD.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    A gig of BH5 is just like plain valueram when it comes to overclocking i'm afraid. A gig of TCCD whoops BH5 on Nforce3 and newer.
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited December 2004
    Mackanz wrote:
    A gig of BH5 is just like plain valueram when it comes to overclocking i'm afraid. A gig of TCCD whoops BH5 on Nforce3 and newer.

    Interesting, I haven't been keeping up like I used to.

    How does TCCD fare on i875 chipsets?

    I can still get a good amount if I sold my BH5, I might just sell it and get some of this TCCD and then upgrade to s939 and NF3/4 later when I have more $$. That is, if the TCCD works well with my current mobo.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    Mackanz... I wouldn't go quite that far... I'd say that 235MHz @ 2.5-2-2-6 isn't bad... and that's what my 512MB BH-5 sticks will do with 3.3v :)
  • mmonninmmonnin Centreville, VA
    edited December 2004
    Well considering you can buy sticks that have a higher frequency than that now....its not he greatest anymore.
  • Geeky1Geeky1 University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
    edited December 2004
    yeah, but at those timings...?

    I'm not arguing... I just don't think it's all THAT bad... I need to stick it in the NF7-S and see how high it'll actually go at those timings... It may have actually hit 250 with those timings in my P4 system, but I can't remember for sure and I don't feel like booting it to look.
  • MissilemanMissileman Orlando, Florida Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    There is one distinct advantage that the TCCD has over the BH-5. Most TCCD will go over 230 at it's default 2.6 Vdc. The disadvantage is that TCCD really doesn't like the higher voltages and some people have found dropping the voltage when nearing the high end helps the stability. TCCD seems to like to stay at or below 2.8Vdc.

    As to the I875P chipsets. Most people find that it works well, but the timings have to be changed down to 3-4-4-8. This is not do to the RAM, but because the chipset design itself does not generally like low latentcy ram although disabling the PAT let's it run fairly well.
  • TheLostSwedeTheLostSwede Trondheim, Norway Icrontian
    edited December 2004
    99 out of hundred mainboards either needs to be vdimm modded or have a vdimm booster to be able to use BH5 over 230 htt. TCCD's only needs 2.7V at 280+. Also, timings isn't close as important on A64 and 875 as it is on the XP platform. If you have good singlesided 256mb sticks of BH5, keep them. If you have 512mb sticks of BH5, sell them.
  • croc_croc_ New
    edited December 2004
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-231-002&DEPA=1

    That stuff good? How well does the DDR500 TCCD (above) run at say DDR460? Can the timings be tightened with lower FSB?
  • edited December 2004
    croc_ wrote:
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-231-002&DEPA=1

    That stuff good? How well does the DDR500 TCCD (above) run at say DDR460? Can the timings be tightened with lower FSB?

    GSkill is supposed to be good stuff and they give multiple ratings on their ram. The sticks you linked to at Newegg are these and their site rates them at 2.5-4-4-8 at ddr550 speed, so at ddr460 I would imagine they would be good for timings between that and their ddr400 rating of 2-2-2-5, both at 1T command rate.
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