F@H problem

TroganTrogan London, UK
edited March 2005 in Folding@Home
At that moment i'm working on a 600 point WU. Been working on it for almost 8 days.

The problem is that the WU keeps restarting.

When I check EMIII, The number of frames always start again. This is not a glitch in EMIII as i've looked in the 'untiinfo' text log in my F@H folder and that also shows the same info as EMIII

What is casuing this?
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  • DanGDanG I AM CANADIAN Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    Copy and paste the info that's in your folding log file.
    If you're running the GUI, it should be here.
    "C:\Program Files\Folding@Home\FAHlog.txt"
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    I've put the F@H folder in My Documents because I find it easier to access.

    I've attatched the FAHlog...
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    Should I start again?

    Any help would be great.

    Thanks
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    try this.
    try and stop the client and then delete the FahCore_78.exe file and then restart.
    The client will then download a new core.
    Try this just in case your core is corrupt.

    So are you overclocking?
    What are your temps?
    What is the health status of your psu?
    Have you run memtest?
    Is the core running 100%?

    just answer as many as you can and it'll be a start.

    also ...let's have a look at your client.cfg file.
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    csimon wrote:
    try this.
    try and stop the client and then delete the FahCore_78.exe file and then restart.
    The client will then download a new core.
    Try this just in case your core is corrupt.

    I'l try this in a few minutes
    So are you overclocking?
    What are your temps?
    What is the health status of your psu?
    Have you run memtest?
    Is the core running 100%?

    I didn't mention it because I thougth it wasn't the cause but since you ask. The mobo has been overheating alot, for about week and a half now. I am getting a replacement mobo tomorrow.

    Is the overheating the cause?
    Thanks
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    very likely yes.

    a few things you can try is this.
    if you're overclocking then step it down a few notches.
    if not then you can try throttle f@h down to like 80% or just fold tinkers for now.

    also is that intel or amd?
    if amd you'd probably be more productive with tinkers anyway.

    something to mention:

    gromacs run very hot because of their complex nature.
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    csimon wrote:
    very likely yes.

    a few things you can try is this.
    if you're overclocking then step it down a few notches.
    if not then you can try throttle f@h down to like 80% or just fold tinkers for now.

    I'm not OC'ing. How could I turn down to 80%...DIdn't know it could be turned down and thats why your the folding genius :thumbsup:
    also is that intel or amd?
    if amd you'd probably be more productive with tinkers anyway.
    Its an AMD Athlon. How do I only get tinkers?

    sorry for all the Q's and Thanks

    :)
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    Trogan_1000 wrote:
    Its an AMD Athlon. How do I only get tinkers?

    sorry for all the Q's and Thanks
    :)
    It's no problem at all! :thumbsup:
    Well there's no way to force only tinkers ...but with that said I can sure tell you how to try.

    remove -advmethods.
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    If I remove -advmethods than I won't get big WU's, right? :(

    If thats correct than I'l wait until the mobo is replaced and so how things are with the temp, etc. I'l post back tomorrow to let you know how it goes.

    So far the WU has not restarted, hopefully it stays like that :)

    Thanks for your help :thumbsup:
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    ok ...but who says tinkers aren't big?
    You just may not get 600 point gromacs is all but you'll get much more points anyway.

    If you fold a 600 gromac in 8 days and I fold 3 240 point tinkers in 3 days who gets more points?

    AMD's are more efficient tinker folders but they do gromacs well.
    Intels do gromacs well but don't do tinkers very well.
    So ...if you had an intel I'd say stick w/ the gromacs.

    also for the record ...I only fold tinkers at home on my amd during the summer months otherwise I get the same results as you're getting now.
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    csimon wrote:
    ok ...but who says tinkers aren't big?
    You just may not get 600 point gromacs is all but you'll get much more points anyway.

    Oh, my mistake. I thought without -advmethods you only get 60-70 point WU's. Of course I prefer 200-300 point WU's 'coz I find them easier to complete.

    I'm going to remove -advmethods now. Thanks for telling me that
    If you fold a 600 gromac in 8 days and I fold 3 240 point tinkers in 3 days who gets more points?

    What I meant was that he 600 point WU kept restarting within 8 days of having it
    :thumbsup:
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    csimon wrote:
    AMD's are more efficient tinker folders but they do gromacs well.
    Intels do gromacs well but don't do tinkers very well.
    So ...if you had an intel I'd say stick w/ the gromacs.

    also for the record ...I only fold tinkers at home on my amd during the summer months otherwise I get the same results as you're getting now.

    Wish i'd known about this sooner then I would of stuck with mainly tinkers :(. Well, atleast I know now. :)
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    LOL ...if it makes you feel any better I just removed -advmethods myself.
    Trust me you won't be disappointed and your points will flourish I swear. :fold:

    But think of it this way ...

    whether you get 60-70 point wu's or 600-700 point wu's it doesn't matter ...at the end of the day/week/month/year you'll have the same amount of points.

    As far as I'm concerned ...since you're using amd rather than intel you've already got a headstart. You see amd's fold more efficient for the most part. And ghz for ghz the intel is by far no comparrison. And basically intels don't fold tinkers worth a hoot.

    Now ...with that in mind ...how do you think they come up with the points sceme?
    They benchmark them on p4's!!!
    So ...you've got an edge already! :thumbsup:
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    I have big smile on my face now.

    W00t to amd and GO -advmethods. No, seriously I mean, GO away -advmethods :D
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    lol ...ok that's the first step.
    Now ...entertain me for a moment and allow me to prove my theory.
    On average ...how long did it take you to complete a single frame of a gromac?
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    At the moment its 29mins 16secs.



    Having fun yet? :p
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    Trogan_1000 wrote:
    At the moment its 29mins 16secs.



    Having fun yet? :p

    lol ... yeah!
    ok ...so you're still folding that 600 point gromac then right?
    Once you get a tinker let me know the point credit and average time per frame.

    *tap* *tap* *tap* ...got one yet? ;D

    in essence here is a breakdown ...but there are many ways to figure this.

    if your 600 point gromac takes 29.27 minutes to complete a frame on average and there are 100 frames ...that comes to 2927 minutes to complete the wu or 48.78 hours. 29.27' x 100 / 60 = 48.73 hours. So it takes you 48.73 hours to earn 600 gromacs points.

    edit:\ maybe you can just backup the work folder with the gromac in case I prove myself wrong! ;D
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    csimon wrote:
    lol ... yeah!
    ok ...so you're still folding that 600 point gromac then right?
    Once you get a tinker let me know the point credit and average time per frame.

    *tap* *tap* *tap* ...got one yet? ;D

    Still working on the 600 point gromac but going to cancel it now.

    in essence here is a breakdown ...but there are many ways to figure this.
    if your 600 point gromac takes 29.27 minutes to complete a frame on average and there are 100 frames ...that comes to 2927 minutes to complete the wu or 48.78 hours. 29.27' x 100 / 60 = 48.73 hours. So it takes you 48.73 hours to earn 600 gromacs points.

    That is correct
    edit:\ maybe you can just backup the work folder with the gromac in case I prove myself wrong! ;D

    Doesn't really matter. If anything goes wrong than i'll start over.
    I won't mind as long as its completed less than 50% of the WU :D
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    what processor are you working with is it 2.5ghz?
    29.27 is damn fast for an athlon ...It takes me 33 mins per frame with barton 2.4ghz/400fsb
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    sorry for taking so long ---- My sig has my comp specs.

    The 29mins was after I restarted the comp. When I start using the comp for a while, it usually goes up to 33mins
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    lol ...do you have an old log or something that can give an idea of average? 33 mins is way good for only 2ghz. Maybe a fahlog2.txt or something like that?
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    I started F@H again and I deleted everything, sorry! :shakehead:

    I'm working on a 364 point WU but don't know how to check if its a tinker or gromac.

    my guess its a tinker
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    tell you what we'll do ...we'll use my 33 mins per frame on the 600 gromac and see what I get with the tinker ...that should be good!
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    Whatever you say Sir! ;D
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    Trogan_1000 wrote:
    my guess its a tinker
    check taskmanager ...is it using the fahcore_65 or 78?
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    Task Manager says FahCore_78.exe and i've just checked FAHlog.txt which says it's a gromac core.

    So, that means FahCore_78.exe are Gromacs and _65 are tinkers, correct?
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    correct ...would mind posting the log file again?

    I got 10 tinkers ...hehe
  • TroganTrogan London, UK
    edited March 2005
    Sure! I'l attatch it to save space
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    how did you stop and start the client?
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited March 2005
    600/2927 = .21 points per minute
    28/425 = .07 points per minute

    apparantly I was wrong! :bawling:

    lets see what the next tinker brings?

    On the upside ...my cpu temp went from 46c to 38c and my sys temp has gone from 25c to 23c.
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