AMD Cool&Quiet-or not?!
Hi, i was referred to this forum to try to find a solution to my problem.
I run an Athlon64 3500+ MSI MS-7025 nForce3 board (skt939) OS-XP Home
I installed the cool+quiet driver today plus the AMD clock/power monitor.
Problem is i see no change..it still just runs at 2200Mhz?!
I have enabled C&Q in BIOS, whats wrong? ..i read forums where people report speeds dropping to 800Mhz just running windows..then flyin to full power for big apps, games and such.
Does anyone have any ideas why it's not working for me??
Here's a link to the thread where the Mod referred me...
http://www.pchelpforum.com/processor-cpu/15796-amd-cool-quiet.html#post113751
Hope i have posted in the right place!!
I run an Athlon64 3500+ MSI MS-7025 nForce3 board (skt939) OS-XP Home
I installed the cool+quiet driver today plus the AMD clock/power monitor.
Problem is i see no change..it still just runs at 2200Mhz?!
I have enabled C&Q in BIOS, whats wrong? ..i read forums where people report speeds dropping to 800Mhz just running windows..then flyin to full power for big apps, games and such.
Does anyone have any ideas why it's not working for me??
Here's a link to the thread where the Mod referred me...
http://www.pchelpforum.com/processor-cpu/15796-amd-cool-quiet.html#post113751
Hope i have posted in the right place!!
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Basically, it's not going to raise or lower your clock speed.
Edit: After re-reading your post, I realized you're wanting it to throttle back. I'm not sure it'll throttle back if you happen to be running F@H or any other background utility.
Um firstly, what is F@H?
What do you mean by background? I have read you should be able to download..leave OE (or thunderbird in my case) open and the power will drop. Being honest i have also read other folk finding no advantage whatsoever, in fact some report a negative effect on performance.
I have a mate who has C&Q on his poota (the reason, after witnessing it..i thought i'd try it out)..granted the poota is obviously not identical to mine..but he can operate windows..say type an email, similar size apps..and the processor runs merrily around 800MHz...Go for something heavy, his demonstration..open Call Of Duty2..and it powers up to 2000MHz, Can you see what i mean..i'm tryin to explain what i saw as best i can.
When i open the AMD Clock..the reading does fluctuate..but only within +/- 150MHz of the 2200MHz constant. I can see what you are saying, how it reads to be a kind of thermal safety device (fair play..that is handy) but i have witnessed otherwise..thats the frustrating part.
Thanks for your reply..i welcome any comments and the such.
Folding@Home is project run by Stanford University that studies the changes in proteins found in the human body. Short-Media has a pretty hot team - we use our computers to crunch simulated protein modeling for Stanford. You'd be welcomed to join our team! The reason why M'man mentioned this was that "F@H" can run a CPU at 100% utilization, but only when you aren't running other applications.
As to your Cool 'N Quiet Software. The purpose of that software is to keep your CPU from overheating. If your case is clean internally, and if your CPU is cooled with at least the retail heatsink provide by the CPU's manufacturer, there shouldn't be a risk of damaging your CPU. Besides, if you were consistantly using your computer for very high CPU demands or if you were overclocking, you would probably be replacing your CPU's heatsink anyway - stock coolers are not made for steady full CPU utilization.
If you are only realizing a 150MHz CPU correction with the software, I don't see the utility of using that software. "Background" programs. Why don't you:
ctrl-alt-del, select "Task Manager"
select "Processes"
do a screenshot (ctrl-PrtScrn, paste to MS Paint)
post the screenshot, and we can tell you what's running in the background
Firstly here are some specs of my poota
AMD Athlon64 3500+
2g Samsung PC3200 RAM (4x512 matched)
200g Samsung Spinpoint sata HDD
Radeon 9800Pro 128mb (standard)
Twin DVD Burners (LG+Pioneer)
Arctic Cooling Silentium T1 Case
The processor is cooled by one of thesehttp://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=80&disc=
I dunt believe i have anything much running in the background..obviuosly less i leave Thunderbird open or BitComet..but i dunt d/load constantly so would most likely be Tbird open..anyway here's the shot (thanks for posting how to do it..i'd wondered how for ages, but not enough to ask!!)
Looks rather small..if no good..tell me how and i'll try again! edit: oh you can click on it!!lol
Just found this as an example (also the bios thing may be worth a shot) here
i have browsed around countless forums..some folks it works fine..others are like me. Hurumph.
Ok , thanks again..and thanks for explaining F@H.
Kev
If you're running a 100% cpu process I don't think CnQ will work until it becomes idle ...just something I read a while back.
csimon..tanks for your reply..it has been a while and i still never got it working. I disabled it in bios..basically giving up. I can leave to poota just sitting idle..with the AMD Clock showing CPU speed for hours and it never waivers from 2200 give or take a hundred?!
Please..i dunt know what 'mfg site' is..could you tell me..or perhaps drop in a link?
Many thanks..Kev
I shall check it out..but i think i went through everything last time round.
Just peevs me off that i know it can work and have seen it in action..it just wont work on my system..as yet at least!
Thanks..K
You have to enbale in bios, load driver, and go into XP control panel => Power Options and select something enabling power management to function. I have mine set to minimal power management and CnQ works fine. To disable CnQ in windows just select Home/Office and it will not throttle anymore.
Ok, i'm tryin that..again. As you say you have the same set up...will you just look at your minimal power management setting and post how they read. Mine reads..monitor off in 1 hour..Hard Discs off in 3 hours..all else set to never.
Thanks for your reply..it would be good to get this to work for all the times it just sits there or downloads (will it cut in if d/loading?)
Fingers crossed..Kev
I know surfing and email it stays down most of the time.
My power management is set to monitor 1 hour and then never on the rest.
I'm also running the 1.B bios on the 7025 just so you know
Well i set it to minimal..and turned it on in BIOS just after my last post. Around 7.45..started watchin a film (House Of Flyin Daggers..pretty good!) Came on just now and the AMD Clock reads 2200..same as always.? I just cant figure why it wont drop the speed. Maybe it's just one of those things.
I shall set to Minimal Power and set monitor to 1hr and rest to never like yours...
If you can advise on the 1.B piece..or is that not worth going into..also if it's too technical.ie risky business..i may just accept it and not have C&Q.
Thanks for this though Bud. Kev
I turned the poota on..did my stuff then went out for a couple of hours leaving just my email client running (Thunderbird)..came home..clicked open AMD Clock..and yep..it reads 2200 as always.
I guess it's just not gonna happen?!
K
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disc(0)rdisc(0)partition(1)WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disc(0)rdisc(0)partition(1)Microsoft WINDOWS "XP Home Edition"/fastdetect/NoExecute=OptIn
thats how it reads..so clearly something is different!!
OK, if its an installation issue..run through how it should be installed properly (if you would please)..i thought i had?!
Kev..thanks..i feel we are getting somewhere?
Here's my boot.ini
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /usepmtimer /NoExecute=OptIn
Ok, if it's not too much trouble..and if you can remember..could you run me through how you installed yours, either of you? Please.
I mean i can only do what i've done before..or do i need to uninstall the driver via 'device manager' first then start afresh..here's where i get worried, if i did that, unistalled on the CPU driver on 'device manager' would the poota still start up? (i know that changin a grafix card call for this action.even if same make/diff model).
I'm a little outta my depth here..as you may have gathered.
Any ideas..i'm grateful for your help so far
Kev.
You might want to look and make sure you have the right driver. It's pretty easy to confuse the version for 64 bit wndows and the 64 bit driver for 32 bit Windows.
Could be why it's not installing correctly.
Also disable any Anti-virus and/or Anti-spyware you have running in the background for the install only. Example is windows defender as it will stop changes to the boot.ini file.
Right, i'll uninstall on 'dm' reboot..disable all and sundry and re-install all the time keeping my fingers crossed!! lol
I'll post back how i get on...
K
Be sure to install the 1.2.2 version of the driver (the latest). If I recall correctly it was the original driver that didn't automatically add the "/usepmtimer" flag and it had to be added manually or it didn't work.
csimon, no it's not dual core..it AMD Athlon64 3500+, it is driver 1.2.2.0..when i installed it last it asked for the ak8 file..which i have and it added that saying the 'device' is now ready for use. Still i do not see the 'usepmtimer'.
I have used the 32bit windows xp driver..argh!!
It just doesn't want to work for me.
Any other ideas? whats this about adding the prompt manually? ...I'm off to chill out before my brain explodes lol
K
just edit your boot.ini file and add it like this:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disc(0)rdisc(0)partition(1)WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disc(0)rdisc(0)partition(1)Microsoft WINDOWS "XP Home Edition"/fastdetect/NoExecute=OptIn /usepmtimer
once you save the file make sure it retains the correct extension like boot.ini
How do i do that..and where do i find it??
I'm guessing its one of those, where you have to type a notepad then save as...
but i've only ever done that once!!
The flame of hope is truely alight though...i really appreciate all the help you are giving me!
Kev
right click my computer and select properties
select the advanced tab
select "Settings" within the Startup and Recovery box
and there it is within System startup ...just choose the Edit button and it will allow you to edit the line where you need to insert /usepmtimer.
Be sure to add a space at the end before you type:
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /noguiboot /usepmtimer
end and save and you're done ...reboot for this to take effect.
edit:\ just to add a disclaimer of sorts ...edit this file at your own risk ...the only part of this file you should be tampering with is the addition of the "/usepmtimer". If you edit anything besides this you stand the risk of your system rebooting with errors.
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn /usepmtimer
still readin 2200MHz..though flickering up and down a little..power set to minimal power managment as set up in previous post. If indeed it works..i presumed the CPU would drop power straightaway..is there like a delay of anysorts?
I'm not havin much luck with it really.
I'll leave it sitting idle while i watch a movie or something and se what happens, if nothing changes..i'll just re-edit the boot and call it quits.
Thanks for all your help guys, if you do have a brainwave i'm always subscribed to this thread and an up for trying, it may be we are missing something?
Kev
The prog is listing my motherboard as - MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (MS-7025)
Not the same name as on the invoice!!
Just thought i'd post this in case it could be the source of my dificulties?!
Kev
For the 1st time since my friend and I built this compoota late in 2005..the AMD Power Saver (C&Q) function is working!!!! Unfortunately my fans ain't tied it to it..so they keep at full..but somethings better than nothing in my book.
One of the drivers i installed was called 'AMD Away'. Maybe this was the instigator to its decision to start working?? Who knows...
I uninstalled the C+Q driver..installed the AMD Away..then re-installed the C+Q Driver..and..i dunno..but its working!
A pointless post but i've been trying on and off for months to get C+Q working..so i wanted to shout about it!!
:celebrate
Your boot.ini looks like mine and yes, it is working for me. Dropped CPU freq from 2000MHz to 1001 MHz immediately. And cpu and mb temps start dropping. Then cpu fan starts slowing. Runs quieter. Quite amazing.
Good luck.
PS. I may not be around much so may not get back to you soon if you reply but just thought I'd put in my 2¢ in case it helped.