Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited October 2003
That looks real good!
You may get higher but I think the temps will hold you where you are at. Also sounds like for regular useage and 100% reliability you may end up where you are now if it will run stable on a little less vcore or 11x200. Good job!
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LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
edited October 2003
Still climbing:
(Temp. measurements are MBM 5; voltage measurements are BIOS.)
2406MHz - 12 X 200
vcore (BIOS) 1.85
chipset - 1.7
DRAM - 2.7
CPU core temp - 49*C full load (case open).
OK, that's as far as I'll push it today. No, I won't put loud fans in the case and on the CPU heatsink for more CFM of airflow.
Presently running 3DMark03 with Folding engaged to test stability. Ah, the wife unit will come home later today and not know any different! It looks like my life won't be cut short after all!
Thanks for your help, guys! That's what S-M is all about.
Leo
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Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited October 2003
Yea! Go Leo!:celebrate
Presently running 3DMark03 with Folding engaged to test stability. Ah, the wife unit will come home later today and not know any different! It looks like my life won't be cut short after all!
DISABLE CPU DISCONNECT please sir. It does what it says, according to my reading - removes the cpu from the system, although I don't know what conditions would cause it to happen. Some have found that inherent instability is fixed by disabling this setting.
*EDIT* Not intended as a slam to the comment above. Hi, Mack (c: 2.5-3-3-6 are NOT bad RAM timings (this is what I read from the prev page, still at these settings?) and you may well find they are the best you can do. The benefit of running your fsb @ 200+ should well outweigh results from CAS 2.0 at lower fsb if 2.5 is the best the RAM can do.
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LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
edited October 2003
Working now on improving airflow in that pathetic Chieftec (without raising noise).
Update:
Would not complete 3DMark03 at 2400MHz.
I lowered multi to 11.5, lowered vCore to 1.775, and now temps are manageable and system runs with F@H and 3DMark03 completing. Effective OC 11.5 X 200 = 2300. Not too shabby.
For now, I'll leave CPU Disconnect enabled. It's working well - hands off. Mac, I've played with this RAM somewhat before. It just doesn't want to be social at CAS 2.0. I've run it at 8/4/4, 7/4/4; but usually at the officially rated 6/3/3. I'm not against trying other timings, but probably won't try CAS 2.0 again. Both the Intel and AMD won't accept that.
Those timings at 200 fsb hardly beat the bandwidth a good board had 1-1,5 years ago. I call that bad. Thats my point. Even if the sticks did/does this and that on an Intel rig, doesn´t mean that they do the same on an Amd rig, even if the same timings are used. You are very correct that Cpu disconnect should be disabled as it can or rather will get the system unstable for whatever reason. All other stuff as throttling should also be disabled as well as Videocard bios cache or whatever it is called.
The 2 sticks i have is supposed to do about the same timings that Leo´s stick is rated at, but after some tweaking, a million bios resets and some more tweaking, they do 240 fsb dc and sync at 11,3,2 cas 2.
I agree with Mackanz. Athlons are FAR more sensitive to memory timings than Pentium 4s are. 2.5/3/3/6 timings on an Athlon at 200MHz is equivalent to 187MHz at 2/2/2, it makes a big difference. Several hundred mb/s.
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Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited October 2003
It looks like Leo did pretty good with 2300 for his first try. and his wife will still have a good stable machine to work with.
I think we need to see some Sandra Memory scores and see if he will try looser settings at C-2.
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LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
edited October 2003
It seems that there is no convention on indicating the order of RAM timings. Before we continue this discussion, so that I don't become confused, let me propose that we use this order:
1st position - CAS
2nd - Row-active delay
3rd - RAS to CAS
4th - Row-precharge delay
With that said, the timings in the AMD rig now (and also in the Intel rig) are 2.5/6/3/3. If I set timings to BIOS default, they are 2.5/8/4/4.
What are you recommending I try here? Please, nothing radical to start with. The computer needs to be running when my wife gets home.
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Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited October 2003
And to think I was using the order used on the NF7's to keep things from getting out of order.
mtgoat said And to think I was using the order used on the NF7's to keep things from getting out of order.
Try 9-6-6-2 to get started.
Agreed, as it is in the bios.
Since your ram seem to be sensitive to cas 2, stick with 2,5 for a while, but change the rest to 11,3,3 or 5,3,3. If that seems ok, go for 11,3,2 or 5,3,2. The ram can take the voltage if needed. Max is 2.9 but it gives 3.04 or so in reality. I and many other uses over 3.2 volts 24/7 folding and the ram isnt even hot to touch.
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LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
edited October 2003
Thanks. I'll give it a try; but need to wait for the opportune time.
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Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited October 2003
Leonardo said Thanks. I'll give it a try; but need to wait for the opportune time.
Alas, When the Mrs. steps out.
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LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
edited October 2003
Yeah, no kidding. She came home with my son about two hours ago. I thought I had everything stable, having run 3DMark03 multiple times, internet browsing, Folding in the background. Sure enough, she gets on her listmaster board and five minutes pass - blue screen memory dump. I've bumped it down to 2200 for now (11 X 200).
Pretty sure the problem is cooling. The CPU is dumping out so much more heat now. Without loud fans, the case just can't evacuate enough air. Oh well, another project.
Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited October 2003
Maybe water is in your future????
I am finally going to do it. I am even starting to wonder about the possibilities of central watercooling like in one of the old IC threads and just build it into the house.
I am finally going to do it. I am even starting to wonder about the possibilities of central watercooling like in one of the old IC threads and just build it into the house.
Dig a hole in the lawn, 10 foot down and sink down aa big reservoir and connect a powerful pump. You wont need any fans or radiators. I have seen this get done before and boy what a project!
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LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
edited October 2003
Nope, don't want anything that complicated. Good luck to you, though!
Both these boxes were built with the intent of high-performance without overclocking. The extra punch of OC is just frosting on the cake. I just won't in the future buy a case that has only small intake and exhaust fan ports, like the Chenming, Chieftec, Antec, ...
Actually, I had the windows open this morning when it was cool. This afternoon it heated up quite a bit. I was pretty warm in the house when my wife experience the BSOD-memory dump.
I'm testing different voltages for stability and temps again.
Leonardo said I was pretty warm in the house when my wife experience the...
VERY understandeable! ;P J/K
Yes, winter is nicer for our beloved computers.
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Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited October 2003
I am thinking when I get back to Alaska and build a house I just may think about doing something where I would just have a 500 gallon resevoir laying on the ground under the house.
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LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
it's not cooling. Lower the chipset voltage back to 1.6 even 1.5 depending on actual voltage and run at 2300. I bet she can't blue screen it anymore
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LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
edited October 2003
I had thought about that, but due to the heat staring over my shoulder, didn't have time to test it. I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
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Mt_GoatHead Cheezy KnobPflugerville (north of Austin)Icrontian
edited October 2003
At 200 fsb there is no reson to run anything but devault chipset voltage since it is operating in its intended range. I have got mine stable up to 227 at default chipset voltage. Without a hardcore cooler on the NB you won't get much by upping it.
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LeonardoWake up and smell the glaciersEagle River, AlaskaIcrontian
edited October 2003
Running stable again - as far as I can tell, again at 2306, 11.5 X 200:
Chipset - (backed down to 1.6; I'll try 1.5 later)
vCore - 1.75
Mem - (oops, forgot)
Comments
You may get higher but I think the temps will hold you where you are at. Also sounds like for regular useage and 100% reliability you may end up where you are now if it will run stable on a little less vcore or 11x200. Good job!
(Temp. measurements are MBM 5; voltage measurements are BIOS.)
2406MHz - 12 X 200
vcore (BIOS) 1.85
chipset - 1.7
DRAM - 2.7
CPU core temp - 49*C full load (case open).
OK, that's as far as I'll push it today. No, I won't put loud fans in the case and on the CPU heatsink for more CFM of airflow.
Presently running 3DMark03 with Folding engaged to test stability. Ah, the wife unit will come home later today and not know any different! It looks like my life won't be cut short after all!
Thanks for your help, guys! That's what S-M is all about.
Leo
*EDIT* Not intended as a slam to the comment above. Hi, Mack (c: 2.5-3-3-6 are NOT bad RAM timings (this is what I read from the prev page, still at these settings?) and you may well find they are the best you can do. The benefit of running your fsb @ 200+ should well outweigh results from CAS 2.0 at lower fsb if 2.5 is the best the RAM can do.
Update:
Would not complete 3DMark03 at 2400MHz.
I lowered multi to 11.5, lowered vCore to 1.775, and now temps are manageable and system runs with F@H and 3DMark03 completing. Effective OC 11.5 X 200 = 2300. Not too shabby.
For now, I'll leave CPU Disconnect enabled. It's working well - hands off.
Those timings at 200 fsb hardly beat the bandwidth a good board had 1-1,5 years ago. I call that bad. Thats my point. Even if the sticks did/does this and that on an Intel rig, doesn´t mean that they do the same on an Amd rig, even if the same timings are used. You are very correct that Cpu disconnect should be disabled as it can or rather will get the system unstable for whatever reason. All other stuff as throttling should also be disabled as well as Videocard bios cache or whatever it is called.
The 2 sticks i have is supposed to do about the same timings that Leo´s stick is rated at, but after some tweaking, a million bios resets and some more tweaking, they do 240 fsb dc and sync at 11,3,2 cas 2.
I think we need to see some Sandra Memory scores and see if he will try looser settings at C-2.
1st position - CAS
2nd - Row-active delay
3rd - RAS to CAS
4th - Row-precharge delay
With that said, the timings in the AMD rig now (and also in the Intel rig) are 2.5/6/3/3. If I set timings to BIOS default, they are 2.5/8/4/4.
What are you recommending I try here? Please, nothing radical to start with. The computer needs to be running when my wife gets home.
Try 9-6-6-2 to get started.
Agreed, as it is in the bios.
Since your ram seem to be sensitive to cas 2, stick with 2,5 for a while, but change the rest to 11,3,3 or 5,3,3. If that seems ok, go for 11,3,2 or 5,3,2. The ram can take the voltage if needed. Max is 2.9 but it gives 3.04 or so in reality. I and many other uses over 3.2 volts 24/7 folding and the ram isnt even hot to touch.
Alas, When the Mrs. steps out.
Pretty sure the problem is cooling. The CPU is dumping out so much more heat now. Without loud fans, the case just can't evacuate enough air. Oh well, another project.
I am finally going to do it. I am even starting to wonder about the possibilities of central watercooling like in one of the old IC threads and just build it into the house.
RESPECT!!
Dig a hole in the lawn, 10 foot down and sink down aa big reservoir and connect a powerful pump. You wont need any fans or radiators. I have seen this get done before and boy what a project!
Both these boxes were built with the intent of high-performance without overclocking. The extra punch of OC is just frosting on the cake. I just won't in the future buy a case that has only small intake and exhaust fan ports, like the Chenming, Chieftec, Antec, ...
Actually, I had the windows open this morning when it was cool. This afternoon it heated up quite a bit. I was pretty warm in the house when my wife experience the BSOD-memory dump.
I'm testing different voltages for stability and temps again.
VERY understandeable! ;P J/K
Yes, winter is nicer for our beloved computers.
ha ha (yes it got pretty hot for a moment)
Chipset - (backed down to 1.6; I'll try 1.5 later)
vCore - 1.75
Mem - (oops, forgot)
DRAM timings still at 2.5/6/3/3.