Might get an LCD monitor. Recommendations?

TimTim Southwest PA Icrontian
edited December 2006 in Hardware
I'm thinking of getting my first LCD monitor. Supposedly they're a lot easier on the eyes than a CRT with its electron gun, and I've seen some LCD's with really good color on them.

Here's my requirements:

A manufacturer that has a good reputation for NOT having dead pixels! Because even one bad pixel will drive me crazy.

Looking for an 18, 19, or 20 inch monitor.

Decent numbers for pixel pitch, response times, and contrast ratios. And a good viewing angle.

I'm not a hard core gamer, but I play DVD movies and watch lots of other video on my computer. I have been looking at World of Warcraft on a free trial, and may decide to get it.

I've seen lots of monitors on tigerdirect.com that are at or around the $200 mark, so a price of around $200 would be okay.

Widescreen or regular size? I don't know. I'm used to CRT monitors, so I'd say stick with a regular type of screen size, not widescreen.

Suggestions?
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  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    Widescreen is the future. GOOD LCDs start at about $300. You willing to go to that price?
  • TimTim Southwest PA Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    I could if I needed to. What sort of price / quality scale is there? Like poor= under 200, fair = 200-300, good = 300+, etc?

    I've seen LCDs in electronics stores, like Comp USA and Circuit City, and very few were $300 and higher.

    I'd like some recommendations in different price ranges if possible.
  • Radio91PRadio91P Layton, UT New
    edited October 2006
    There is a monitor by Viewsonic that I would like to get. It's a 22" LCD for $300 at costco until the 29th. You can go to costco online and get it. 5ms, 700:1, seems like a really good monitor.
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    That's pretty much an accurate scale, Tim, for monitors in the 19/20" range. 21/22" are ~$400 for a good monitor. 24" is ~$650+ period.

    Keep your eye out for this monitor. It's a STEAL. It's a WONDERFUL display.

    As for LCDs in stores, clueless people who aren't really looking to spend a lot of money go to those stores. I work there, I deal with these customers every day. They want the $400 desktop with no accessories and no warranty, because they don't care about quality. So we sell to those customers. The LCDs in stores are just plain mediocre, as that's what people want to pay for.
  • TimTim Southwest PA Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    That's what I figured, the LCD's you find in local electronics stores are average at best.

    Do any LCD monitor makers have an excessively good or bad reputation? Like consider manufacturer X first, and avoid manufacturer Y at all costs?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    I don't know about the bad, but I know that Dell/Samsung (Same panels - Samsung makes them)and BenQ are regarded as some of the best.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    I'll give an Amen for Dell and Samsung. Dell 19" at work and two Samsungs at home - a 191P and a 204B (20", traditional format). The 204B has excellent color reproduction, superb gray scale, and is very sharp. The 191 is not as good, but still very nice. The 204B came from CompUSA at about an 25% off sale.
  • primesuspectprimesuspect Beepin n' Boopin Detroit, MI Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    I use a Viewsonic VX2025wm for graphic design work and it is a very nice display. I believe you can get them for just about $300 now.
  • NiGHTSNiGHTS San Diego Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    I was going to recommend the same monitor Thrax did. Have been reading good things about it, namely its insane pricepoint.

    After much research I ended up buying a Samsung SyncMaster 730B about 3 years ago. The only regret that I have about the purchase is that I didn't spring for the 19'' model - I'm enjoying it very much.
  • fatcatfatcat Mizzou Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    Dude, you're getting a Dell....

    seriously, I love my Dell 2005FPW, and highly recommend the new 2007WFP. That new Dell Thrax linked to, the E207WFP looks very nice/priced also...although I use my USB hub and composite frequently.
  • ArmoArmo Mr. Nice Guy Is Dead,Only Aqua Remains Member
    edited October 2006
    I use a Viewsonic VX2025wm for graphic design work and it is a very nice display. I believe you can get them for just about $300 now.


    damn you! you stole my reply :(

    i picked on of these up a few months ago, its awesome. i give it 2 thumbs up.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116381
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited October 2006
    Yes, I agree on that ViewSonic model. It was also on sale at CompUSA when I was there and bought my Samsung. It was impressive.

    (Don't get me wrong. It may seem some times like I'm a CompUSA booster. I'm really not, but for retail tech purchases up here, I don't have a lot of choice. Sure I can shop online just like anyone, but unless I buy several items at once, the shipping charges are murder. No such thing as free or reduced shipping to Alaska. We've got a BestBuy also, but I despise that madhouse, and their specials don't happen on computer parts nearly as often as at CompUSA. We've got a few mom & pop computer stores too, but the selection will make you cry and the prices are only for someone who knows no better.)
  • TimTim Southwest PA Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    I got a Samsung 204B at Best Buy today. $375 F@#$%^G DOLLARS with the tax included!!!

    This afternoon / evening I spent about 3-1/2 hours in Circuit City, Comp USA, and Best Buy, all within a mile of each other. I looked at several widescreen models that were hooked up to the internet, viewing different web pages at different resolutions. I just couldn't get into the widescreens. They were too different, and my own site ( www.loudmouthtim.com ) was pretty distorted on a widescreen.

    The 4:3 regular format LCDs were better but still different.

    I had a pretty good argument going with myself over screen size vs. cost. The 204B and 930-something 19 inch 4:3 screen were my 2 choices. The 930-whatever was quite a bit cheaper, but was also out of stock at Comp USA and Circuit City, and by the time I got to Best Buy, I had talked myself into grabbing the last 204B they had.

    I'll have to set it up and see how it does now. For $375, this thing better sing and dance!!!:rant:
  • edited November 2006
    im looking at the SAMSUNG 204B i saw it at my Best Buy and it stopped me and i was like....im getting that..; im doing a whole system overhaul by the end of this year or Q1 of 07 and if im gonna be buying a Dx10 (either 8800 or ATI R600...i want to play on High Def Resolution..and my Monitor cant support it :bs: )

    1600x1200 Res
    800:1 Contrast
    5ms Response

    if u can give me some reviews that would be coo :D
  • airbornflghtairbornflght Houston, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    I got a Samsung 205BW for $180ish today at staples. If no one else has I think that I am going to do a review on it, it is an awesome panel.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    Tim, you should be very pleased with the 204B. I'm looking at one while I write this post. It's excellent. I have not tried it with gaming, but everything else is really, really good. Very nice pure whites, great gray scaling, sharp text, and vibrant colors. There is a bit of bleed through on a black background, but for me at least, not enough to be annoying. We've also got a Samsung 930B on one of our computers. The 204B is superior.

    Yes, LCD monitors are much easier on the eyes. You start using one, you will never even think of using a CRT again.
  • TimTim Southwest PA Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    I've had my new 204B going for about an hour so far, and it looks good. Even though the native resolution is 1600 by 1200, I'm running it at 800 by 600 because I'm used to that. The icons and text get way too small at 1600 by 1200.

    Is there a way to use 1600 by 1200 resolution but have the icons and text and everything stay the same size it would be at 800 by 600?

    I played a little bit of World of Warcraft late last night, and with the resolution adjusted to anything higher than 1024 by 768 (in the WoW control console) the 9200 SE video card couldn't handle it, and things started getting choppy and jerky. So the next upgrade is a better video card!

    Right now I have the brightness on this monitor at 50 and the contrast at 75, and I need to fine tune it a bit to get it set up fully.

    So far, so good.
  • mtroxmtrox Minnesota
    edited November 2006
    Interesting thread as I'm shopping right now for my second computer, a slow desktop that's basically my server. I'd like some opinions on why I should go wide screen. I've resisted that whole trend because:
    • I never have a bunch of normal size windows up. Whatever I'm in is maximized...so on a widescreen I just end up with the stretched out distorted thing.
    • Or...I size it normally and end up with a bunch of useless space on the side
      On laptops they are:
      1. heavier,
      2. use more battery power,
      3. too big to open on some planes

    I think I'm swimming upstream on this though. What is the advantage to the wide format when most content is sized for 4:3?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    There is no stretched-out-distorted thing with the right drivers.

    Windows can display natively at widescreen.
    So can programs.
    So can games.
    So can DOS.

    That stretched-out-widescreen crap is archaic and dead. As are black bars down the side.

    A square is a square.
  • mtroxmtrox Minnesota
    edited November 2006
    Really Thrax? My experience is pretty limited...but it's not a big deal to get fonts to display right without looking stretched and pixeled?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    No, you set windows to 1680x1050 (Standard resolution for a 21" widescreen, for example), and Windows resizes everything appropriately. Same for games.

    The thing to remember is that when widescreen is done correctly, it's expanding your field of view, not just stretching a square box. Take widescreen movies, for example, a widescreen movie shows you more of what's going on left and right of center; it's not just a square picture stretched left and right.
  • mtroxmtrox Minnesota
    edited November 2006
    Thrax wrote:
    No, you set windows to 1680x1050 (Standard resolution for a 21" widescreen, for example), and Windows resizes everything appropriately. Same for games.

    OK.
    Thrax wrote:
    The thing to remember is that when widescreen is done correctly, it's expanding your field of view, not just stretching a square box.

    That I get...that's why my comment about most content being 4:3. If you bring up a web site that is either sized for 800 or 1024...there isn't really an advantage to a wide screen then is there? Or is the advantage in the way you start using the extra screen real estate by cascading other windows?
  • ThraxThrax 🐌 Austin, TX Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    No, there really isn't an advantage. You get deadspace on the right side of the screen, but that's the way it goes. Widescreen, though, is the future. Video card manufacturers are making drivers for it, Microsoft suggests widescreen for vista, all the games are coming with widescreen support, movies are widescreen, etc.

    The internet hasn't caught up, but everything else has.
  • mtroxmtrox Minnesota
    edited November 2006
    Future is the best point. I'm replacing a 15" Sony CRT that was state of the art when I bought it......about 12 years ago. The 20.1 inch Dell you linked earlier has some great numbers for the price.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    Widescreen, though, is the future.
    Where I could make very good use of widescreen is at work. It would really be nice to have two full size documents open side by side on the same screen - say on the left a spreadsheet and on the right a presentation or .doc document. That would really be a productivity tool for me. The 19" I'm currently using is just not suitable for simultaneously viewed office applications.
  • csimoncsimon Acadiana Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    I got a Samsung 205BW for $180ish today at staples. If no one else has I think that I am going to do a review on it, it is an awesome panel.
    pft ...they weren't on sale at my staples. So how is it on the top & bottom bleed through? I'm stll torn between the 204 & 205.
  • edited November 2006
    Tim, what brand of video card to you use? If you have an ATI based GPU, you’ll need an application like Powerstrip to get the black bars (when you need them). NVIDIA drivers can do this natively.

    Widescreengamingforum.com is an excellent place to read non-biased reviews of widescreen monitors, as well as calibration tests, definitions of LCD technical jargon (TFT LCD, etc) and solutions for games, which don't already accept widescreen resolutions natively.

    Everyone there is really knowledgeable about LCD technology in general, so the forums are handy too.
  • TimTim Southwest PA Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    My current video card is a Radeon (ATI / Powercolor) 9200SE 128 MB.

    I found a review on my video card recently, and even when compared to other cheap $50 video cards, it finished dead last.:eek:

    I was thinking of getting a 9600 Pro or Xt or 9800 Pro or XT, but surely there are better more modern choices out there, right?

    My Abit NF7 motherboard has an AGP video card slot and it can handle 4X and 8X cards.

    Don't want to spend more than $100 on a video card.
  • LeonardoLeonardo Wake up and smell the glaciers Eagle River, Alaska Icrontian
    edited November 2006
    So how is it on the top & bottom bleed through?
    (204B) It's only noticeable on a black or nearly black blue background. The 204B must becoming popular as I'm surprised there are no sales on them now. I got my about two months ago at CompUSA with an in-store discount and a sizable mail-in rebate.
  • danball1976danball1976 Wichita Falls, TX
    edited November 2006
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