And those percentages were not actual, they were to just get the point across.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited October 2003
I am not saying that nutrition is irrelevant. What I am saying is that "proper nutrition" in and of itself is not necessarily enough to prevent or cure a disease.
It is also possible that pesticides could have an impact, however these things are not the sole cause, nor are they likely to be a major factor. If they were, then we wouldn't have had these diseases before we started using "unnatural" chemicals, but we did.
It disrupts your bodies chemical actions, they're not compatible.
That's why they work!
All disease, aside from degenerative, are nutritional deficencies. Your body can heal itsself if it has everything it needs(nutrition). Any doctor will tell you that no drug by itsself will cure a disease, as only the body can heal the body.
That is not entirely true. You are right that a drug, in and of itself, is not sufficient to cure a disease, as the body still has to repair any damage that has been done. However, the body cannot always repair itself, and the contention that it can is patently absurd.
When you rely on an industry that recognizes health as an absence of symptoms, you will never achieve true health.
BTW, how come the people that think the same way as I and many others who have achieved true health by avoiding mainstream medicine are considered idiots?
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Because, by and large, you are. I'll bet you're against genetic engineering, too, aren't you?
Modern medicine does not consider health to be a lack of symptoms. Anyone that told you that is badly misinformed and/or stupid.
Define "true health".
Modern medicine has effectively eliminated diseases such as polio, bubonic plague, and the like. The only reason they have not been totally wiped out is that not everyone has been immunized. If everyone on the face of the planet was vaccinated against polio, for example, the disease would be gone in short order.
Modern medicine has developed the drugs necessary to allow people with severe mental diseases to lead somewhat normal lives. Modern medicine has gotten us the antibiotics that are saving lives (and being used injudiciously, which will eventually lead to major problems) every hour of every day.
Versus your supplements. Which, as far as all the research I've seen, has gotten us jack squat. I'm not saying that nutrition is unimportant. What I'm saying is that the belief that modern medicine has nothing good to offer is absurd, misguided, uninformed, idiotic, and just plain wrong.
Geeky1 had this to say Versus your supplements. Which, as far as all the research I've seen, has gotten us jack squat.
You're reading the wrong evidence, then.
Also, I guess you have not seen first-hand accounts.
What I'm saying is that the belief that modern medicine has nothing good to offer is absurd, misguided, uninformed, idiotic, and just plain wrong.
I know I didn't say modern medicine had nothing good to offer. I did not take that from Fudgam's comments, but I cannot speak for him.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
edited October 2003
A2J, are you familiar with the placebo effect? A lot of those testimonials (not all) can be attributed to it. There are certainly cases where they've helped. They are not, however, a substitute for traditional medical treatment. Using them in conjunction with traditional treatment is fine, as long as you tell your MD and know that the supplements and drugs you are mixing are safe to mix. Taking supplements instead of drugs is a bad idea.
Very familiar with the placebo effect, and believe me the cases I've seen are not because of that.
Actually, they are often a substitute for medicine.
Definitely make sure anything you take is safe to mix with something else.
You seem to be extremely closed-minded to natural preventatives and treatments, which, unfortunately, is rather common to those that do not study up on the way the body works and the nutrients it needs to function properly.
Anyway, it's nearly 1am. If you wish to continue this we will have to resume after I've had some rest.
Geeky1 had this to say A2J, are you familiar with the placebo effect? A lot of those testimonials (not all) can be attributed to it. There are certainly cases where they've helped. They are not, however, a substitute for traditional medical treatment. Using them in conjunction with traditional treatment is fine, as long as you tell your MD and know that the supplements and drugs you are mixing are safe to mix. Taking supplements instead of drugs is a bad idea.
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Geeky1University of the Pacific (Stockton, CA, USA)
I'd have to agree with fudgam. If you research into the people such as eskimos and hunzas there has never been a documented case of cancer because of their nutrition.
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It is also possible that pesticides could have an impact, however these things are not the sole cause, nor are they likely to be a major factor. If they were, then we wouldn't have had these diseases before we started using "unnatural" chemicals, but we did.
That is not entirely true. You are right that a drug, in and of itself, is not sufficient to cure a disease, as the body still has to repair any damage that has been done. However, the body cannot always repair itself, and the contention that it can is patently absurd.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Because, by and large, you are. I'll bet you're against genetic engineering, too, aren't you?
Modern medicine does not consider health to be a lack of symptoms. Anyone that told you that is badly misinformed and/or stupid.
Define "true health".
Modern medicine has effectively eliminated diseases such as polio, bubonic plague, and the like. The only reason they have not been totally wiped out is that not everyone has been immunized. If everyone on the face of the planet was vaccinated against polio, for example, the disease would be gone in short order.
Modern medicine has developed the drugs necessary to allow people with severe mental diseases to lead somewhat normal lives. Modern medicine has gotten us the antibiotics that are saving lives (and being used injudiciously, which will eventually lead to major problems) every hour of every day.
Versus your supplements. Which, as far as all the research I've seen, has gotten us jack squat. I'm not saying that nutrition is unimportant. What I'm saying is that the belief that modern medicine has nothing good to offer is absurd, misguided, uninformed, idiotic, and just plain wrong.
You're reading the wrong evidence, then.
Also, I guess you have not seen first-hand accounts.
I know I didn't say modern medicine had nothing good to offer. I did not take that from Fudgam's comments, but I cannot speak for him.
Actually, they are often a substitute for medicine.
Definitely make sure anything you take is safe to mix with something else.
You seem to be extremely closed-minded to natural preventatives and treatments, which, unfortunately, is rather common to those that do not study up on the way the body works and the nutrients it needs to function properly.
Anyway, it's nearly 1am. If you wish to continue this we will have to resume after I've had some rest.